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Comentario de 6769

Cheapest combo points you can get...
The damage it deals is something else, but together with Seal Fate (which will only add 1 combo point, not 2) this is some real combo point generation. So not only hemo specced get to use finishers other than slice and dice now ;)

Comentario de Tigraine

Seal Fate isn't applied to Mutilate!
I tried it on PTR and Beta Server and Mutilate wasn't getting extra Combo Points from Seal Fate.
So, basically Mutilate is a 100% crit Seal-Fate Backstab that's doing some fair amount of damage (yet unpredictable imo)

Comentario de 8346

Mutilate is much better then Backstab imo. True, it is not as reliable in crit %, but the CP generation is really nice with SF. CS + Mutilate I already have 4 CPs. And if I get lucky and crit with Mutilate, I can get upwards of 1900 damage.

Comentario de cyanidexpunk

I dont play rogues much, but from the looks at it its a very nice skill. I think its good for pvp especially because when i see rogues attack me, the first thing i notice is poison. If u use poisons a lot, I would definetly recommend it. But on the other hand, you might prefer a different style of fighting. It's all about testing out what you like. So mess around with a talent calculator for your play style and see what fits you best.

Comentario de SeriusJones

The low down on this skills is that, IMO, it's better than backstab. Why? With the new HWL Razors, that both hit well, it is very easy to pump up the damage of this. If you are specced with this, favor Crit to all stats, because when this doesn't crit it hits like a wet noodle.

For enchanting daggers: Don't enchant +5!!! Mutilate (in simple math) doesn't share a damage multiplier with backstab, so +5 damage is actually just... Well... 5 extra damage that can be absorbed by armor. I'd go with +15 agility OH for the crit and 15 agi/Crusader MH, for obvious reasons.

- SJ

Comentario de 9431

**IMPORTANT** Toolip says requires *Daggers* Not to be confused with singular "Dagger". You wont hit correctly without having 2 Daggers equipped.

Comentario de Phfor

Lets also not forget... you pick up Cold Blood on the way to Mutilate...

A CB'd Mutilate causes a dual crit. Unless you have very poor weapons, this dual crit will always total more than an eviserate, typically around 3k on a lower armor target. My Mut crit with the 60 HWL dagger is around 1.8k, evis crit reccord is 2.7k... and Mutilate gives 3 CP...

Comentario de 29587

The single coolest thing about mutilate is the fact, that, even if only the offhand crits, it still adds 3 combo points, and no, if you dual crit, it won't give you 4 points, having gone from lvl 51-67 more or less on mutilating mobs im 99.999% certain on this.

As was stated earlier, go fully for crit eq, i have 27.14% crit chance atm, and with remorseless.. well.. needless to say i hardly ever don't crit on CS+muti

Comentario de Suprerogue

Omg cheap this move is so good

Comentario de 21386

Mutilate does not REQUIRE that your target be poisoned, but poison immune mobs will definitely not take as much damage. However the quick CP generation more than makes up for this and allow you to pull off finishers with a very nice regularity.

If, for whatever reason you end up facing your target and can't stun or gouge keep Shiv or Sinister strike around so you can keep getting your CP until KS comes off it's cool down.

Comentario de 23043

So the bonus damage on mutilate will proc if the poison is one that does not inflict damage (ie crippling)?

Comentario de 41968

Assumptions: Using Gladiator's Shanker with 1200 attack power, Lethality, Opportunity, Mutilate Rank 4, and fighting a poisoned target.

+ Weapon Damage + Mutilate) * Poison Bonus] * Opportunity Bonus = Mainhand Damage
( + Weapon Damage + Mutilate) * Poison Bonus] * Opportunity Bonus) * Lethality Bonus = Mainhand Critical
( + Weapon Damage + Mutilate) *Poison Bonus] * Opportunity Bonus) * Offhand Modifier = Offhand Damage
+ Weapon Damage + Mutilate) * Poison Bonus] * Opportunity Bonus) * Offhand Modifier] * Lethality Bonus = Offhand Critical

+191+101)*1.5]*1.2 = 787.88 on Mainhand Hit
(+191+101)*1.5]*1.2)*2.3 = 1812.13 on Mainhand Crit
(+191+101)*1.5]*1.2)*.5 = 393.94 on Offhand Hit
+191+101)*1.5]*1.2)*.5]*2.3 = 906.06 on Offhand Crit

Damage per Energy:
19.697 DpE if both Hit
45.30 DpE if both Crit

Comentario de 46812

That is my favourite skill!
I do it that way:
Cold Blood > CS > Mutilate > 5cp KS > Mutilate > Evi
The Combo Points you get are incredible!

Comentario de coolio

I guess no one posted this but with mutilate it's not like BS but you should have the slowest daggers you can find in BOTH hands for optimal damage. ( i use two 1.8 daggers: Ced's carver and Borak's Reminder)

Comentario de 54074

To make the most of a mutilate build you need to skip the sub tree and go 41/20/0 for the 50% off hand damage.

I tried out a 41/020 build with Opportunity and i found it to be far too weak for mutilate, although i had higher backstabs.

Thing with the offhand damage it takes into account the damage added from mutilate, and the 50% more from a poisoned target;

heres an example i have: (not exact numbers but a rough idea) on a low armor target

with 2 weapons say 1.80 and 71 DPS like the level 70 blues

41/0/20 mutilate:
main hand - 460 damage
off hand - 260 damage

41/20/0 mutilate

main hand - 430 damage
off hand - 410 damage

although the over all damage may seem to be minimal, the effect of a crit on the off hand is almost as beneficial as your main hand, and the damage difference between main and off is about 10-20%, where sub build it was like 40-50% and an off hand crit in sub build would be alot of damage gone to waste.

Comentario de Wakako

They still haven't fixed Night elf female Animation so If you are going to make a new rogue don't pick a female night elf if you want to get mutilate and have an animation for it

Comentario de Dandy

Does Serpent Sting (or any other non-Rogue poison) cause Mutilate to do the extra 50% damage?

-Okay nvm... found the answer (it does)... just hadn't looked carefully enough... =D

Comentario de 111316

Mutilate combat build gives:
Better offhand dmg (Since mutilate hits with both weapons).
Parry chance.
Improved Gouge
Dodge chance

Still as mentioned above the offhand dmg is crucial
CS+Mutilate =4 combo points (in case mutilate crits you have 5 combo points.
also your stunlocks is more deadly than ever with Improved kidney shot and find weakness.

Also the mutilate/combat build its very good in farming.Except elementals.

Comentario de 71190

remember, regardless of if seal fate (gives an extra combo point when an ability which gives combo points scores a critical hit) procs, a cheapshot, shiv, mutilate will always get you your 5 combo points. with vigor (+10 energy) and maybe 4 pieces of gladiator (+10 more energy), you should have no problem with 120 energy getting your 5 point kidney shot off before cheap shot wears off. furthermore, the shiv allows you to have your target poisoned for the mutilate. currently, i am just cheap shotting and mutilating without the shiv because 9 times out of 10, either initiative (75% chance to get another combo point after using cheap shot, ambush, or garrote) or seal fate or both will proc and give me my 5 points anyways.

Comentario de 130109

Here is a spreadsheet I made that shows the gains of 1H crit, 2H crit, and total chance to crit for every 5% crit you add:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pJxCfFAyc1wunOJUplaurbQ

To see the benefits you will get in 2.4 just look at what your crit is now and at 15% to know what it will be in 2.4.

Comentario de 18754

Changes to 2.4 are making Mutilate more PvE viable. Increased change to crit to 15% with talents and elemental mobs not immune to poison, except for their relative school.

This means that in SSC Mutilate is very possible - the only oddity being that in order to get the 50% damage increase you will need to equip a dot poison which is not nature based. I believe only mind numbing fits into this category.

So mainhand - poison free, OH mind numbing (ingore the use of the poison, esp as it doesnt stack with CoT), never use evenom and see the damage fly.

Comentario de 135503

PLEASE NOTE: Calculations do not include Critical hits! This is with my own character,
regardless of gear this is purely on spec. Meaning that regardless of gear this is how much
your spec will affect you.

Using 2x Season 1
Gladiator's Shanker

1Hand Dagger
131 - 197 Damage Speed 1.80
(91.1 Damage per second)
+21 Stamina
Durability 75/75
Requires lv 70
Hit: 9
Crit Rating: 15
Resilience: 10
Attack Power: 28

Mutilate (rank 4) With Combat

41/20/00 (Dual Wield)

Pre Muti

283-350 MH
212-263 OH
495-613 Total

Pre Poison
384-451 MH
313-364 OH
697-815 Total

Post Poison
576.00-676.50 MH
469.50-546.00 OH
1045.00-1222.5 Total

1133.75 avg
1.8 speed
630 Overall DPS

Mutilate (rank 4) With Subtlety

41/00/20 (opportunity)

Pre Muti

283-350 MH
141-175 OH
424-525 Total

Pre Poison

404-471 MH
262-295 OH
666-766 Tot

Post Poison
606-706.5 MH
393-442.5 OH
999-1149 Total

1074 avg
1.8 speed
597 Overall DPS

Differences 41/20/00 and 41/00/20

Combat: Dual Wield

Pre Muti - Combat
283-350 MH
212-263 OH
495-613 Total

Pre Muti - Subtlety
283-350 MH
141-175 OH
424-525 Total

Pre Muti - Difference
Main Hand - Same
+71 - +88 OH
71 + 88 = 159 Total

Pre Poison
Main hand - Same
+51 - +69 OH
51 + 69 = 120 Total

Post Poison
Main hand - Same
+76.5 - +103.5 OH
76.5 + 103.5 = 180 Total

+59.75 avg DMG
Weapon Speed - Same
+33 Overall DPS

Winnar - Kombat

Comentario de BoddAH

As of now, we haven’t seen the WorLK talent trees but…

Is it just me or would a 41/25/5 Mutilate build be ridiculously good?
Think about your classic 41/20/0 Mutilate build + Dagger Specialisation (+5% Crit) + Opportunity (Yeah right, Opportunity AND Dual Wield Specialisation in the same Mutilate build!).
*Drools*

PS: I didn’t realise this at first but the new Puncturing Wounds + Malice + Dagger Specialisation could lead to some ridiculous Critical Strike chances on Mutilate as well…

Comentario de 114441

Everyone said how amazing different specs would be with 10 more talent points pre-BC and the only ones that did actually catch on were shot down in flames at the time.

Comentario de MetalGenocide

I've read all the posts, and the info I'm after isn't here.
So here's my question.
I am current;y ShS build, but thinking of moving to Mutilate.
Sp, for Mutilate, do I want a slow or a fast dagger in the off hand?

Thanks in advance.

Comentario de 118626

in a offhand wep u should allways have a 1.80 speed wep, whit just as good dmg as the mh wep. in that way, if u got 41/20 u can allmoust as good dmg whit the oh as the mh. so go for two weps whit 1.80 speed.

Comentario de 159584

You all say '' 41/20/0 or 41/0/20 . That 20 talentpoints, are NEEDED to get the damage in combat. But, in subletly, you just have yo use 5 of em. my spcc is 54/0/7 (improved sap). In assasination, i have things like ; 15% ms and 10% snare n root resist, +10% chance to ad psns, 20% more recived heals etc.

NEED to haves : Improved kidney shot, expose weakness, improved expose armor, improved eviscerate. GOOD to haves : Quick recovery, Master poisoner, Vile poisons. for many reasons :)

This is my tactic to kill a priest with a full cc nuke, with 155 energy ( 155 energy used for dmg ) :

1. Get 5 combopoints.
2. Reg 120 energy.
3.An expose, 5combo.
4.Get 5 combopoints.
5.reg 120 energy.

Here comes the fun thing :

Kidney shot - Mutilate -Mutilate -Mutilate ( just as you do the third Mutilate, kidney expires) Now, if belf, use arcane torrent or CoS to prevent a Fear. last, Cold blood - Eviscerate.

i do normally on this : 3x mutilate ~ 7500k , eviscerate ~3k this is ~10500dmg, enough to kill a priest ( asuming that they have the same gear as me )

And ofc, under this time, i mby can have a attacker on me, that's where a disc priest comes in. Pain Supression, shield, psychic scream and heals. This also works with a mage in 3v3 too, since he can hold 1 of em, and put in a firblast if it fail.

What do you guys think? Plz reply with other tacs!

Cheers

Comentario de Siver

i am a combat fist spec rogue and am gettin bored of it, was wondering if mutilate will do as much dmg or more, if i respec whats the best shot rotation

Comentario de 122037

If your coming from combat and you have a good set of fists and you ARE pvping, don't listen to these guys, the chances of you hitting a person in pvp with their hit rotations are as likely as....hmm....rogues being able to 1 hit illidan... won't happen...https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/talent=f0ebRiZZxMjoMGRoxst....simple 20/0/41, uses Vial poisons, and EA...awesome for envenoms and shivs IMO...love this for pvp....3k+ envenom crits in blues / greens

Comentario de patfactorx

WOW armory Tumelo on Anubarak.

Best spec ever!

Comentario de 113880

im a new 50 level and im interested in mutilate
is it easy to level with it ?

Comentario de 113880

https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/talent=f0efoEMoizVohZEMx

i think this is best build for mutilate specc

41/3/17

for pvp purposes

Comentario de Thottbot

From what I can tell, mutilate shows its true potential when you have a slow dagger in both your MH and your OH.

BS does 150% weapon damage +255 (not taking into account opportunity talent). It may crit and do about 225% weapon damage + 375.

If you have a slow MH + OH dagger (about same damage range) then Mutilate does effectively 200% weapon damage + 200 (not taking into account opportunity talent), and if the target it poisoned then it's an additional 50% damage which is equal to roughly 300% weapon damage + 300. That's not including crit.

Assuming that you go 41 points into Assasination to get mutilate, you probably also got improved poisons and the chances are that your target is already poisoned by the time that you start your mutilate attacks. You'd also have maxed ranks in ruthlessness, seal fate, relentless strikes, and vigor for super fast combo point generation and energy renewal.

Additionally, while costing the same amount as BS to perform, Mutilate generates 2 combo points. So for ganking (as an example) if you go: Cheap Shot --> Mutilate --> Kid --> Mutilate --> Eviscerate, you pretty much have a dead clothie/leather wearer before they can move. It takes a bit more for a plate wearer, but that's why you have gouge.

All in all, I'd say that Mutilate is better than BS as a skill. the only downside is that you have to put so many points into Assasination to get it whereas you could go less deep into Assasination if you have a simple BS build and throw remaining points into combat/sub tree.

-Feyde

Comentario de Thottbot

Mutilate is a good talent, no doubt bout that. However, it seems after that new patch throwing in imp. backstab in assassination I really don't see myself using it alot because I get my two combo pts. regardless. Instead of working my way to mutilate, I'm thinking of throwing the other pts. sub has to offer such as Initiative since I can get three comb. points out of cheap shot, which I use quite often on those damn warlocks. It just feels weird having both mutilate AND backstab, they cost the same amount of energy and their dmg. don't differ too much as far as basic dmg. (I think mutilate gets and extra hundred if you get a good hit), but the imp. backstab is giving me more more chance to crit plus with that seal fate that every assassin spec is after I'm gettin my two points. Is mutilate worth it, that really all depends on how much you neglect backstab, if blizzard lowered the energy use of one or the other, having both would defintenlty be worth it but that's just what I think, take it or leave it.

Comentario de Thottbot

I say mutilate beats backstab, there is a talent in assassination that lets you get an extra combopoint every time you crit; and since you use two weapons with mutilate you have a VERY high chance to crit.

Comentario de Thottbot

instead of putting points into sub, after you get mutilate, go into combat for the 50% off-hand damage increase, you'll see amazing results....

Comentario de Thottbot

I always use mutilate when someone else has aggro (obviously). Ive practically replaced backstab with it. I crit with both weapons 50% of the time, and atleast one 25%. Using poisons, I do a fairly decent amount of damage with it. Ive done 500+300 crits with it at level 50. Give or take. My point? Mutilate kicks ass. I love it.

Comentario de Thottbot

If you are a mutilate build wouldn't a slow main hand and slow off hand be ideal?

Comentario de Thottbot

i've just got a question so dont call me a noob or anything like that caz i dont play a rogue.
it says does 50% more damage against poisened targets does that mean things like serpent sting effect the attack or is it just rogue poisens?

Comentario de Thottbot

i don't play a rouge, but i'm thinking of starting one for fun in pvp ;)

now to my question... if i go 3/3 in ruthlesness, and 5/5 in seal of fate, and i then use a finshing move that proc ruthlesness AND crit's, will it then generate 2 cb's?

Comentario de Thottbot

I, a 70 Rogue, prefer mutilate wayyyy more than 30/0/31. Why? When i used 30/0/31, i was being out-dpsed by pretty much every class! Now, as mutilate, i'm above all these hunters, mages, locks... pretty much at the top of the charts each time. Hell, in mana-tombs once, i got 50% of the groups total dmg output using mutilate!

Comentario de Thottbot

True Assassination is great for pvp, but i much prefer Subtlety for it. Subtlety gives me improved stealth and stealth detect (druid and rogue covered, i always open. Then theres my favourite ability ShadowStep, it is wtf pawnage when i one stot a caster in combat then disapear either five seconds later or instantly (vanish). rogues were meant to be the class that relied on exteme burst damage to an unsuspecting target. IMO Premeditation - Bloodfury (orc racial) -ShadowStep - Ambush (75% of the time gives 2 points) -Backstab (part assassination so +30% crit) - Eviscerate or Kidney shot (depending on if caster or Mail/Plate wearer, always stuns on Heavy armour).

This kills my target about 70% of the time. 20% of the time i need to backstab or vanish then ShadowStep ambush again and win. 10% of the time either its a pally Bubbles or i get stopped in my tracks by another person.

IMPORTANT! For PvP rogues should either Duel Cripple or 1 Cripple 1 Mind Numb (this applies only if your a member of the 41+ Subtlety Tree PvP Annihilators

However Mutilate is still a great abililty, personally 41/0/20 is as good as 17/3/41 assuming you know how to play your rogue. Daggers PvP in Bg's, Stunlock better for Arena IMO.

If you dissaggree with anything I've said don't think im a noob (trust me i dont have no life but i can admit i play too much) just think your more experienced. = D have fun. PvP was WoW's main Idea IMO

Comentario de Thottbot

I don't know about you guys but i am an okay geared rogue.. I roll with 2 daggers and I am full combat 15/41/5 I am always first on the dps charts in Karazhan compared to a Shadow Priest, a Mutilate Rogue, and a PoM Mage.. I have played both specs and love combat more

Comentario de Thottbot

Some rogues' math now(after the mages' one). :p

Setup:
25% Critical strike chance;
2K AP => +143 DPS => +243 Damage(1.7 dagger's multipler for abilities);
Weapon: 200 Damage(assuming fast OH for 15/41/5 and equal MH and OH for 41/20/0).
Starting with 0 Energy.
Boss fight.
Boss isn't poison-immune.

15/41/5, Backstab:
+40% Critical(65%), +3 Energy/sec(Combat Potency - assuming 1 OH speed), +30% Damage(***), 224% Critical strike damage(I don't really think you wanna waste 25 energy on SnD).
30 Seconds(SnD's duration):
+90 Energy => 390 Energy => 6.5 Backstabs.
Backstab damage:
((200+243)*1.5+255)*1.3(***)=1195.35
With criticals:
1195.35*(0.35+2.24*0.65)=2158.8
467.74 DPS.

41/20/0, Mutilate:
+5% Critical(30%), +50% Damage(Poisoned), +10% Damage(Find Weakness buff), one Rupture(*) per 30 seconds, 230% Critical strike damage.
30 Seconds => 5 Mutilates, one-two Ruptures(**).
Mutilate damage:
((200+243)+101+(200+243)*0.75+101)*1.5*1.1(***)=1612.4625
With criticals:
1612.4625(0.3*2.3+0.7)=2241.323
For those who puts in question probability countings because of two separate hits, here you are:
(MH+OH)*(0.49+0.09*2.3)+(MH*2.3+OH)*0.21+(MH+OH*2.3)*0.21=(MH+OH)*(0,49+0.09*2.3+0.21*3.3)=(MH+OH)*1.39
0.49=0.7*0.7 is chanse that NONE of hits will be critical, 0.09=0.3*0.3 - BOTH will be critical, 0.42=1-0.49-0.09 - AT LEAST ONE of them will be critical, the MH and the OH both have 50% to crit if this happens, so probability multipler is 0.21=0.42/2 for each of them.
Rupture damage:
(1000+2K*0.24)*1.1=1628
427.82 DPS.
+One extra Rupture(it lasts 16 seconds, so you can get full damage Rupture, but without Find Weakness buff, or use Envenom in cost of the 10 energy) per 60 sec(**).
452.5 DPS.

I didn't count other abilities(Cold Blood, Vile Poisons, Improved Poisons, Blade Flurry, Vitality, Adrenaline Rush) - I'd say that they are almost equal, heh - there are some other benefits for each spec(like being first to use SnD with Mutilate, or independence from bosses' immunities to poisons with Backstab), but Backstab has better DPS in any case(Combat Potency = Best Talent Ever). On other hand, you won't find yourself sleeping on keyboard, pressing two buttons with Mutilate spec - it's much funnier and exciting then Backstabing. :p

* - I'd surely prefer Envenom instead of Rupture, but it uses 10 energy, while Rupture doesn't at all, and also calculated Envenom's damage((900+0.15*AP)*1.2=1440+crits) is quite low compared to the real results - there are also some causal debuffs(Mangle, Stormstrike) which can increase these abilities' damage.
** - to get 5 CPs you need two Mutilates <=> 12 seconds, Improved SnD's duration is 30 sec => one time you can use 5CP finishing move. Rupture is affected by it because of these 30-24=6 seconds when you do nothing, waiting for SnD to be over. So You start with 60 energy after renewing SnD. It also will result in extra finishing move between SnDes.
***- I dunno, tbh, should I either multiply or add these bonuses...

P.S.: If someone complains about the 5CPs per two Mutilates !@#$:
(1-0.49*0.49)*100%=76% That two Mutilates will add extra CP;
60% to get CP afer finishing move => 9,6% Chance that you'll have 4 CPs after two Mutilates;
Still, there's 80% chance to return 25 energy: ~2% that you will lose 25 energy. Yea, you are right. That's a really big deal. tt
P.P.S.: I'm not playing for a half of an year already, so I'd make some mistakes, sorry. :p Everything what was interesting me in WoW was it's math(really awesome job, Blizzard ;) ), heh.
P.P.P.S.: And yes, I'm way too lazy to count Sword rogues' DPS... All these Extra hits and Windfury $%^&. :S

Comentario de Thottbot

icy? lol.

Comentario de Thottbot

u need two daggers

Comentario de Thottbot

For those of u trying to use mutilate and are using a quick comparison between backstab and mutilate, it shows up as 2 SEPERATE things on your combat bar( or watever that bar is) so backstab may look like it does more dmg than mutilate but you have to add the 2nd part to.

PS: I read this off another post on the wow website and some other people agreed that this was true if not i guess a few peeps were wrong.

Check it out and tell me if im wrong or right XD

Comentario de Thottbot

sorry to last poster i dont want to seem condescending but i cant see(unless you are very lucky) you are gona get anyone with any resilience, apart from maybe some fire mages or destro locks, to anywhere near 20% HP. i mean most people who you will be fighting will have 10k hp at least ye? ok thats decided, now on cloth mutilates normally HIT for about 1k give or take and crit for hmm 1.5-2k single and 1.8-3k double. now, you will ONLY get them down to 20% if BOTH crit DOUBLE and your normal hits do another 2k. these are VERY liberal values and very loose as well but on anything with any armor: pally, warrior, hunter, shaman. you wont be doing anywhere near that much even with brilliant gear. sorry if i misunderstood your post or something but if it was as i thought it was then it needed to be said.

p.s. i know you have enough CP now to do evi/envenom but that will only offset the defensive abilities that the person will have . :)

Comentario de Thottbot

Latest patch notes

# Improved Backstab is now called Puncturing Wounds.
# Puncturing Wounds increases your critical strike chance with Backstab by 10/20/30%, and the critical strike chance with your Mutilate ability by 5/10/15%.

Everyone who has mutilate probably had improved backstab anyway (for bosses immune to poison) now there is almost no point using backstab at all.. might as well remove it from my cast bar

Comentario de Thottbot

DW spec gives more sustained damage and, normally, higher overall mut damage. however opp, imo, is nicer for mut crits and for me nicer in PVP

Comentario de Thottbot

Mutilate's dmg is defined as:
Weapon dmg (100%) + offhand weapon dmg (+50%) + 101+101 (bonus dmg)

Therefore a typical hit is 150% weapon dmg + 202. (assuming you know enough to use two slow daggers, and they happen to have the exact same dps and damage range)

Opportunity increases the dmg of mutilate by 20%. But Blizzard uses % modifiers additively, so please dont take your mutilate dmg and multiply it by 1.2. It wont work, because that's using % modifiers multiplicatively (if that's a word.)

Duel Wield Specialization increases offhand dmg by 25%, after considering the 50% offhand penalty. Because half a 50% increase leaves you with a 25% increase.

That being said:

If you spec opportunity the math then becomes:
(100% Main Hand + 50% offhand + 20% + ((101+101)*1.2)
= 170% weapon dmg +242.4

If you spec Dual wield the math then becomes:
100% Main hand + 75% offhand + (101+(101*1.5))
= 175% weapon dmg + 252.5

Dual wield specialization not only does more damage than opportunity, you also get an additional 5% chance to hit with a prerequisite talent.

Opportunity allows you to go further down the sub tree and get better CC at the cost of dmg.

To address a previous post, chosing 5% dagger crit over Duel Weild is absolutely ^&*!@#ed because:
5% dmg + 5% additional chance for another combo point with seal fate is far less awesome than mutilate doing 25% more damage with duel weild

Comentario de Thottbot

at least overall we can agree it pwns. =P

Enlaces

Mutilar

Mutilar

60 Energía	Alcance de ataques cuerpo a cuerpo

Instante

Ataque instantáneo con ambas armas que infligen 101 p. extra con cada arma. El daño aumenta en un 50% frente a objetivos envenenados. Tienes que estar detrás del objetivo. Da 2 puntos de combo.

Detalles de hechizos

Duración

n/d

Escuela

Física

Mecanica

n/d

Tipo de disipación

n/d

Categoría GCD

Normal

Costo

60 Energía

Rango

5 metros (Combat)

Tiempo de lanzamiento

Instante

Reutilización

n/d

GCD

1 segundo

Efecto #1

Add Combo Points
Valor: 2
Multiplicador JcJ: 1

Efecto #2

Trigger Spell

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Efecto #3

Trigger Spell

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[Is Ability]
No puede ser utilizado mientras se este cambiado de forma
[Do Not Sheath]
[Initiates Combat (Enabled Auto-Attack)]
[Discount Power On Miss]
[Initiate Combat Post-Cast (Enables Auto-Attack)]
Requiere Arma en la Mano Principal
Requiere un arma en la mano izquierda

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