Quick Facts

Series

1.	Imprints on the Past
2.	Orik Trueheart and the Forgotten Shore
3.	The Murkweed Elixir
4.	The Forgotten Tale
5.	The Truth Shall Set Us Free
6.	Parting Thoughts
7.	What Secrets Men Hide
8.	Frostmourne Cavern

Storyline
Dragonblight The Liquid Fire of Elune Kill the Cultists The Favor of Zangus The High Cultist Rifle the Bodies Prevent the Accord A Strange Device Projections and Plans The Focus on the Beach Atop the Woodlands Search Indu'le Village Let Nothing Go To Waste Slay Loguhn Spiritual Insight Elder Mana'loa Freedom for the Lingering Conversing With the Depths The End of the Line Gaining an Audience Speak with your Ambassador Report to the Ruby Dragonshrine Heated Battle Return to the Earth Through Fields of Flame The Steward of Wyrmrest Temple Informing the Queen The Obsidian Dragonshrine No Place to Run No One to Save You The Best of Intentions Defiling the Defilers Culling the Damned Neltharion's Flame Tales of Destruction Cycle of Life The Plume of Alystros Seeds of the Lashers That Which Creates Can Also Destroy Mystery of the Infinite Mystery of the Infinite, Redux Naxxramas and the Fall of Wintergarde Flight of the Wintergarde Defender Return to the High Commander The Demo-gnome The Search for Slinkin The Bleeding Ore Leave Nothing to Chance Understanding the Scourge War Machine Rescue from Town Square Find Durkon! Secrets of the Scourge Mystery of the Tome Understanding the Language of Death A Righteous Sermon Into Hostile Territory Steamtank Surprise Scattered To The Wind The Chain Gun And You Plunderbeard Must Be Found! Plunderbeard's Journal Chasing Icestorm: The 7th Legion Front Chasing Icestorm: Thel'zan's Phylactery Finality An End And A Beginning To Fordragon Hold! Audience With The Dragon Queen Galakrond and the Scourge On Ruby Wings Return To Angrathar Imprints on the Past Orik Trueheart and the Forgotten Shore The Murkweed Elixir The Forgotten Tale The Truth Shall Set Us Free Parting Thoughts What Secrets Men Hide Frostmourne Cavern Nozzlerust Defense Stocking Up Shaved Ice Soft Packaging Something That Doesn't Melt Hard to Swallow Lumber Hack Harp on This! Slim Pickings Messy Business Stomping Grounds Apply This Twice A Day Worm Wrangler Really Big Worm

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Comments

Comment by 93783

Use of the scrying orb will probably let you see Arthas and Muradin finding frostmourne, of course this is just my guess.

Comment by smokeh

The mouth of the cave is at 74.23. The cave is straightforward, head to the back and use the Orb at the sparkly altar.

You do end up with a nice dialogue between Arthas and Muradin finding Frostmourne.

Comment by Moircaid313

*WARNING SPOILERS*
it has been confirmed that during the flashback between Arthas and Muradin, after Muradin is hit by the ice shard and Arthas walks away. the flashback shows that Muradin lives but has no idea who he is, possible quest to find him?

Comment by 21795

Video of the event, for those that cannot see it themselves: http://www.wegame.com/watch/Frostmourne_Cavern/ . Graphics in the cave have been since changed.

Comment by 38901

For those attempting the quest in the beta, as of build 8788 this quest cannot currently be completed, as the Frostmourne Altar is missing, which is required to use the scrying orb.

Comment by 202977

This quest is currently bugged, no alter appears in the cave. Only a glowing stone.

Comment by Rummage

Was able to do the quest today, Sept 1st.

Comment by Brahla

This has to be one of the most epic quests ingame. Frostmourne is pretty much the reason of all the scourge around the world, and I am sure they've keeled you at least once. Too bad I don't have a Beta Key.

Comment by 35877

Can we get some information on playing this instance? I would be very surprised if you could play this as a Death knight just for lore reasons. Any response would be great.

Comment by Gekker

The death knights which players play have abandonded the lich king and now fight against them, kinda like the forsaken did when they left the scourge.

Comment by 244300

Has anyone got any knowledge on the story behind Frostmourne and how Arthas came in possession of it? I read that he retrieved it from a solid block of ice, in Northrend, and that the Lich King could communicate to Arthas through it. I am wondering when the story was made up, cuz Steven Erikson tells a story almost identical to this one, in Reaper's Gale which was released a couple of years back.

Comment by euebi

For lorefreaks, the conversation that takes place during the cut-scene:

The walls of Frostmourne Cavern shudder and shake.
Prince Arthas says: Behold, Muradin, our salvation, Frostmourne.
Muradin says: Hold, lad. There's an inscription on the dais. It's a warning. It says, "Whomsoever takes up this blade shall wield power eternal. Just as the blade rends flesh, so must power scar the spirit." Oh, I should've known. The blade is cursed! Let's get the hell out of here!
Prince Arthas says: I would gladly bear any curse to save my homeland.
Muradin says: Leave it be, Arthas. Forget this business and lead your men home.
Prince Arthas says: Damn the men! Nothing shall prevent me from having my revenge, old friend. Not even you.
Prince Arthas says: Now, I call out to the spirits of this place. I will give anything or pay any price, if only you will help me save my people.
<a shard of ice falls down and hits Muradin. It looks like he died>

<seconds later after Arthas ran out of the cave>
Muradin says: O' my head... Wh... Where am I?
Muradin says: Who... Who am I?

Looks like Muradin survived after all!

Comment by 86033

Arthas runs away from the quest location at the end of the speech and my instinct was to follow him. If you do that you won't get quest credit. Stay where you are. Arthas just de-spawns before he gets out of the cave.

Comment by Yglesias

I think they used the same exact sound files from Warcraft 3, which I kinda liked =]

Comment by 16986

Cave is at 74.00, 23.00 specifically, for those of us using LightHeaded.

Comment by 202718

I went to Frostmourne Cavern as Horde, just because I'm a lore junky. To my surprise, a friendly gnome (PvP server) was turning in this quest, and was nice enough to let me watch the cut-scene. Awesome!

Again, I highly suggest visiting the cavern for both factions, just for the importance it holds.

Comment by Kazhirran

Ehm? Wasn't Muradin killed by one of the Ice-splinters when Arthas broke the ice, surrounding Frostmourne?

Comment by 213301

no he wasnt. he survived and got a memory loss. no1 heard from him ever since... spooky!

Comment by 164711

Its not the first time Blizzard have changed the lore...

Comment by 242841

How Arthas claimed Frostmourne:

In the Human Campaign of Warcraft III, Prince Arthas Menethil and Jaina Proudmoore are sent by Lord Uther the Lightbringer to investigate the source of plagued grain being distributed amongst the villagers.
They find out that a cult called the Cult of the Damned is responsible for the grain, and Arthas vows to track down and kill their leader, Kel'thuzad. He and Jaina do so, but before he dies, Kel'thuzad tells them that his death will 'mean little' and that his cult was being commanded by the Dreadlord, Mal'Ganis.

Skipping a few parts here - you can learn a lot more if you play the Caverns of Time: The Culling of Stratholme.

Arthas travels to Northrend, to Mal'Ganis' base of operations. There he meets up with his old friend Muradin Bronzebeard, who tells him about a powerful Runeblade named Frostmourne that his dwarves heard about. Arthas vows to help him find Frostmourne, which they find after killing the Guardian infront of the cave.
Heres a bit of a quote:
Muradin: Hold lad. There's an inscription on the dais. It's a warning. It says, "Whomsoever takes up this blade shall wield power eternal. Just as the blade rends flesh, so musst power scar the spirit." Oh, I should've known. The blade is cursed! Let's get the hell out of here!

Arthas ignores him, and releases the blade from the ice in which it is encased. As Frostmourne bursts free, one of the shards of ice hits Muradin, knocking him unconscious***. Arthas returned to his base and, using Frostmourne, killed Mal'Ganis, just as the Lich King planned.

Hence, Arthas became the first of the Lich King's Death Knights.

***SPOILER***
***In Warcraft 3 it is led to believe that Muradin is dead, but in Wrath of the Lich King it is revealed that he is simply knocked out and now suffers from amnesia. Don't know if this is a retcon, but if someone could post Muradin's new name that would be great. He was found by other dwarves, and now goes by the name Yorg Stormheart.

Edits: Grammar, and added info on Muradin.

Comment by AxelF

Beacuase wowaddict1234 you are viewing a event from the past and you are in the present (u havent gone back in time) that is why they cant see you.

I was like Muridan lives! and i think in WC3 the reason why you dont see that part is you are folowing the story of Arthas thus you follow arthas and not stick around to see a body of muradan.

Comment by Shadowtion

If you're having trouble with completing this quest, simply do not follow Arthas when he runs outside. I end up asking general chat and stuff on how to complete it.. Then did the dialogue again, seems you only complete it until you await Muradin's return as a ghost.

Also does anyone find it a little lame that Might of Menethil (The hammer that drops from Kel'Thuzad in the old Naxxramas) of which most people thought that it was Arthas' old mace which he threw a way got renamed and has new stats? It drops in the new Naxxramas on 10 man I think. Now it seems Arthas was simply using a crappy old Grand Marshal mace.. That made me shed some tears ^^

Comment by 247353

The Splinter SEEMED to kill Muradin, but apparantly It Merely Made him Have Amnesia, And become lost in the Frozen Wastes, never heard from Again.

Comment by 230320

Well Blizzard arn't exactly changing the lore there just adding some onto the story.
Good quest for those who havn't played WC3

Comment by 259126

does this goes further ? i mean i know the chain end there, but does later on in another zone is there a quest chain that continue the story where we left it ? do we ever get news from muradin after that quest ?

Comment by haxasarus

SPOILER WARNING

http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=29593#starts
Muradin.

Comment by 146819

And it most likely won't be the last.
Kinda their fault for giving the WoW Lore so much detail in the original Warcraft games; now they can barely do anything without having to worry about contradicting the Lore.

Comment by Yuksu93

so horde dont ever get to see this awesome scene? awww lame! i was hoping it to be a CoT quest, not a full instance just a mini quest thing

Comment by 194823

Go quest in Storm Peaks. >_>

Comment by Saigio

You want to do it, roll an Alliance character. You guys get an event that Allies don't

Comment by 264452

of course it goes further... the whole expansion is about this :P

Comment by 226428

the questline in oshu'gun is somewhat different from the "real" lore on the area etc, but it is making the lore a little bit different so that it should fit the game better. allthough both of those storyline-quests are fun:)

Comment by 95husum

Aw man, do i have to raise an alliance guy from lvl 1 to do this quest? well to every alliance players out there, have fun=)

Comment by Tuhljin

Then I guess Tolkien "changed the lore" in The Two Towers since he made you believe that Gandalf died in The Fellowship of the Ring.

Comment by Saldar

Yeah...

Hey! Remember when you were level 10? And Hogger killed you? But you came back later, didn't you? Hmm. I think the lore was contracted there. You should have stayed dead in my opinion.

Comment by SirusStarseeker

Actually, Illidan actually being alive doesn't really contradict the lore, yes Arthas did cut into his chest, but only scarring him and weaking him enough to save his master. It was never said he died till Burning Crusade came out, it can be implied yes, but it was never proven.

Comment by 112878

Very epic quest. Shows a good part of the Lore as do many other quests in Northrend.

Comment by 146854

Do make sure you hang around Muradin and the sparkly thing after Arthas runs off, to get the 'quest complete'. The first time I did this I chased off after Arthas and wondered why the quest wasn't complete. Muradin has a little more to say ;)

Comment by 153218

I wonder if the Frostmourne would be the new 2h sword soon in the new patch of wotlk?

Comment by 284733

The story regarding Muradin picks up in a very nice quest line in the Storm Peaks.

Comment by 99061

Illidan doesn't die, you just put him into a coma untill the following Tuesday as with any other raid boss.

Comment by 234461

To be perfectly fair, nothing actually said 'Muradin died'. It could have very well been thier intention from the beginning to have him survive. I just watched the original WC3 Cinematic, and there was no solid evidence showing Muradin death. Just other characters reactions and thier belief that he died. The writers actually do a good job of keeping the lore. Occasionally, they have to retcon stuff, but, that's life.

Comment by 291286

You have to stay there the whole time while they talk...I didn't and had to do it again :(

Comment by 42243

Okay my guess: Muradin survived yes. When you are going to fight The Lich King then he suddenly will apear in the fight and do anything so you can beat him (kinda like Maeiv).

In the fight:
Mura: "HAARH!" *wound LK*
LK: "YOU! I THOUGHT YOU WERE DEAD!"
or something like that.

(the funny version of his comeback lol)
Mura: " ARTHAS!"
LK: "Hello Mura how are ya?"
Mura: "Im fine ty you? How's ya dad going? Where is he? Is he fine?"
LK: "Ya know he has a kinda big whole in the breast"
Mura: "Has he now eaten too much? Hehe what an old fart!"
LK: "Yeah... Well right now i think he got the mouth full of dirt"
Mura: "Aye! But how are ya dressed? You look like a tin can! And with those cold and blue eyes!"
LK: "Uuuuh.... New style... i've changed to a Goth-Knight. The blue eyes are kinda contact lences"
Mura: "aaah ok. Say ello to ya dad for me would ya?"
LK: "Yeah i have visit now. We can talk about this later. Cya"
Mura: "Cya. That boy has a heart pure as gold"

:-)

Comment by INvShika

Saying "Oh, Horde get Thrall in Nagrand and a dying Naaru!".... IT'S @#$%ING FROSTMOURNE! IT'S A QUESTLINE ABOUT THE MAIN BAD GUY! Come on ><

Comment by RedwoodElf

By the way, Frostmourne and DK rune weapons are very similar to Mournblade and Stormbringer from the Elric saga, though they are much less powerful in most respects.

Comment by 258077

There is also a quest chain in The Storm Peaks that is amazing for those people that love stuff like this!

Very long

not giving any hints

Comment by 166885

oh my this q im gonna look forward too =D

Comment by 152018

No one wants to read this, Neifer! Don't do that!

Comment by 156697

Well, crap. Guess I'll have to go level my Alli Hunter so I can get the Alli side of Northrend Lore... =/

To the Hordies who don't have an Alli toon- make an Alli DK when 3.08 hits. Blizz is already letting players make DKs on any server as long as they have a 55+ *somewhere*.

Comment by 308133

wish i was ally right now wana do this quest :(
dno how many times i finished w3 and w3 tft campeign over 5 yrs b4 i got wow -_- the northrend missions were awesome.

Comment by 301788

i know this sucks....
i cant believe ally got this Q and horde didnt..
however horde get the quest chain where they get to kill things on the wyrmrest dragon huge thing then kill the big scourge of the north skeleton dragon thing..
that was fun xD

Comment by 311741

Arathas really wants his mummy :D

Comment by saiex

I would like to take a stand here and now and just announce to all who have downrated my comments. I don't care if you feel obligated to keep this place better than the *!@#hole (or not) that is thottbot, you are a complete and utter chode for suppressing my voice in the Wowhead community. The mere thought of you considering your offerings to this found of knowledge better than mine sickens me.

You people are rotten to the monster-trucking core.

Comment by 264155

Something that they've left out is a frost revenant called The Guardien, just like Medivh's title. I don't know if that has anything to do with him, but still. He's the one warning them and trying to stop them from the Frostmourne.

Comment by 2345

No lore revision there, Gandalf the Grey did die during the timeline of The Fellowship of the Ring. Yes, he survived the fall, but as we learn in The Two Towers he died in the ensuing Battle of the Peak while casting down the Balrog. His spirit left his body on the peak of Zirakzigil, and much later he was “sent back” as Gandalf the White.

Comment by 257390

About the "LOL HE DIED IN WC3!=!one1" crap, lets be honest... Naxxramas got raped in 60. But this expansion is all about "raising the dead", even if it involves parts of lore that has nothing to do with a logical "raise-of-dead" from the Lich King or anything like it. Change happends!

Comment by 253196

Because the sword isn't there.

Comment by 253196

I love you.

Comment by rableather

As to Arthus' racial ID. Lord Bolivar calls him a "Motherless Elf" in the Dragonblight vid. However as a Scot I would like it officially recorded Muradin sounds NOTHING like a Scot.

Comment by 248692

Handy for those without coords, a map http://www.wowhead.com/?maps=65:738248

Comment by wasniahC

Or any other coords addon!

Comment by Treld

We will take the fight to arthas. AND WE WILL TEAR DOWN THE WALLS OF ICECROWN!

THE ARGENT CRUSADE CUMS FOR YOU ARTHAS!

Comment by 305281

Arthas' soul was stolen by Frostmourne which made him a human without a soul. After he "returns" the blade, The Lich King, Ner'zul, uses his body as a host. Arthas doesn't even really exist anymore, he is Ner'zul in the body of Arthas. Therefore I believe that Arthas cannot be released, when Ner'zul dies (if he ever does) so will Arthas. The Lich King is simply Ner'zul, not a paladin/shaman/deathknight/human/undead/orc :P

Comment by 99328

What you don't see is Arthas then having to run around Howling Fjord for days, killing turkeys to level his Swords skill. He's been using that mace for ages!

Comment by RipperGand

I just noticed in the Frostmourne Cavern, if you notice the ground in the area where Frostmourne was, you can see Arthas' old weapon (At least it is the weapon he uses in the CoS, which is http://www.wowhead.com/?item=18867) and Muradin's weapons, the axe and the hammer.

EDIT: Nevermind what was written after this, I had not seen the cutscene from the beggining.

Comment by 368312

To sum up the subject -
He's neither Undead or Human.
He really can't be classified because he started out as a human, never technically died but for all intents and purposes became undead, and then merged with the spirit of an undead Orc shaman.

I actually got this straight from WoW-Wiki upon searching the phrase "Frostmourne"

Frostmourne has the ability to drain life from its victims — and to drain the soul of anyone whom it connects to. The Lich King is capable of seeing through the eyes and hearing through the ears of anyone who wields Frostmourne; this ability cannot be stopped by any mortal means. The Lich King can communicate with the wielder at will telepathically, on any plane and at any distance. The Lich King uses this ability to try and corrupt the wielder over time. This has several effects. An individual who wields Frostmourne will not part with it willingly. Over time the person will go from good to neutral and finally to evil. A non-undead evil wielder will then become undead.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Frostmourne
It's under the "Curse" section towards the bottom, I know this could still be debated, but the wiki is derived directly from lore, If you want to contest this, feel free, but please research more on this before you do...

Comment by Xrystal

Here's a map that will sorta get you there....

Comment by Thoric

Frostmourne, apply directly to the soul.
Frostmourne, apply directly to the soul.
Frostmourne, apply directly to the soul.

Comment by 411841

so instead of talking about WC3 can somebody please link where it is on the map :/

Comment by 414368

do you have to do the quest to see the reinaction of arthas and muradin finding the frostmourne?

Comment by 150793

Since most of you are commenting on the lore itself, I'll comment on the items:

they suck.

No, seriously. The mail blue belt was actually a downgrade for my enhancement shaman, who was wearing a quest green. I can't speak for every one of them, but, uh, yeah. They're pretty bad blues. I just picked the plate to sell ~_~

Comment by 370359

arthas dont kill muradin ... muradin not die

Comment by craaazytaco

I can't believe no one else has seen this yet:

I must nofity King Bronzebeard at once!

Nofity? You mean notify? Time to open a ticket.

Comment by KKK4

Its unfair, horde needs to kill a dragon while alliance go an learn about the history of the lich king!

Comment by comma33

The Forsaken has got alot to do with Arthas, he's the one who created them(In some way), In the WC3 campaign when the Scourge(Arthas) invaded silvermoon to resurrect Kel'thuzard at the Sun well, he met the High elven Ranger General, Sylvanas Windrunner, he eventually killed her and resurrected her as a banshee. Years later when Illidan had merged with the skull of Gul'dan and had called the Naga from the sea, Illidan sat out to Destroy the Frozen Throne(Because of Kil'jaeden's promise of power), the Lich King started to weaken, causing him to loose control of his undead minions, including Sylvanas Windrunner, who broke free from the scourge along with a number of orther undeads who had regained their will, they named themselfs the Forsaken. So my point is, if Arthas had not resurrected Sylvanas she wouldent have created the Forsaken, and that way Arthas created them.

The game takes place over a period or several days not years.

Comment by Skubalon

ok for those who have TOM TOM or such the coords:

74,23

:)

Comment by asloversgo

It saddens me that they didn't do it exactly as in Warcraft III. I was expecting to see a chunk of ice fly into Muradin as Arthas shatters the ice around Frostmourne. Instead, you see Muradin just "die" when Arthas grabs the weapon, like if he was doing a "DOH!" when Arthas ignores what he says.
They could've put a little more effort in doing this right, since it's pretty lore-relevant.

edit: typos

Comment by Silmarien

For those who want to see the cutscene in-game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONCEfqVYnCU

Comment by 452994

Just watch for the pair of lvl 72 elementals at the cave mouth.

Comment by 452994

They can be pulled singly.

Comment by Wariath

For those who aren't smart he is know Brann Bronze Beard (I know MOST of you obviously know that). If you dont know where to meet him go into Ulduar I think...

Comment by 492157

its mine lol its my first

Comment by plim1230

HAH i know it all! well its true that arthas is not an undead, he is a human with no soul and a being without soul will eventually look corrupted. and to answer you questions about the arthas nerzhul thing, some of you mean that the lich king is part arthas part nezshul but no! they are a hole new guy its like a little party with Nerzhul, Arthas and a nameless guy and they all ended up killing each other and the nameless won the fight and then he eat the other 2 and that would be the Lich king! and in the Wotlk: Halls of Reflection the spirit of Uther the Lightbringer says something about the possibility that the only thing that is stopping the scorge from destroying the world of azeroth is the little good part of Arthas that is left in the lich king. and a little note of you are confused "Frostmourne" stole arthas soul when he picked up the blade his soul were still pure "in a way" when he recieved the blade and its that little part who dont want to destroy all life

Even weakened as he was, Arthas ultimately outmaneuvered Illidan and reached the Frozen Throne first. Using his runeblade, Frostmourne, Arthas shattered the Lich King's icy prison and thereby released Ner'zhul's enchanted helm and breastplate.

Arthas placed the unimaginably powerful helm on his head and became the new Lich King. Ner'zhul and Arthas' spirits fused into a single mighty being, just as Ner'zhul had always planned. Illidan and his troops were forced to flee back to Outland in disgrace, while Arthas became one of the most powerful entities the world had ever known.

Currently Arthas, the new and immortal Lich King, resides in Northrend; he is rumored to be rebuilding the citadel of Icecrown. His trusted lieutenant, Kel'Thuzad, commands the Scourge in the Plaguelands. Sylvanas and her rebel Forsaken hold only the Tirisfal Glades, a small portion of the war-torn kingdom.

Comment by 343170

actually The Lich King is more Arthas Then Ner'zhul for Arthas overpowered Ner'zhul and is now the true Lich King.

Comment by 137190

They redubbed Arthas' voice, unfortunately. Here's what the original sounds like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn4qVHXsAXc

Comment by 512576

I can't help but notice how much saronite is in this cave. There's even a green mist.

I Just can't shake the feeling that Yogg'saron had quite a bit of influence in this cave, and that makes me wonder whether or not he had a hand in Arthas' decision to take up Frostmourne. Also, if my memory serves, in Warcraft III Frostmourne was guarded by 'Death Revenants'. Revenants are elementals, which were formerly controlled by the Old Gods, and Yogg Saron is the Old God of Death.

Comment by 561328

I have a lvl 80 Orc DK if i were to do a faction change(this toon has NEVER had a faction change) could i do this quest chain?I hope so never got to expeirence it.
"I would gladly bear any curse to save my home land."
-Arthas

Comment by NiGh7

That sword is devoured by the rage of the thousand souls ... It's the true weapon fulled with undead power.. i think it's good looking but don't know it looks little bit a small .. However that sword is one of the most epic Weapons which dates from Warcraft III : frozen throne... The second weapon are Ilidan's Blades .. But that is the best

Comment by 528799

make sure you don't have The Sacred and the Corrupt in your quest log when you try to do this quest or you will be sent into the instanced version of the cavern with the lich king fight.

Comment by crixe

I don't care about lore I just want to know why I can't get his hammer laying there on the floor all lonely looking. I wanna smash faces with it, even if it's no Frostmourne it still must be a good epic >_<

Comment by 754749

In regards to the quest itself -- its important that you remain at the shrine in order to complete the quest -- I made the mistake of following Arthas as he ran from the dialogue sequence in order to see if he did anything else and wasn't standing there when Muradin comes to.

The orb is still viable, however, and you can simply reuse to to start the dialogue sequence again. Once Muradin says, "Who... Who am I?" the quest completes.

Comment by Peter4730

EVERYTHING ABOVE IS ELITIST RUBBISH. There is not one comment on how to finish this quest, for n00bs like me. I have the orb, but how can I get down to the altar from the main cave at the same level as the cave-entrance? (Later) AARRRGGGGHHHHHHHHHH bloody Blizzard ! "battle your way to the bottom" RUBBISH, you cannot get to the bottom; a rock wall prevents it. They shoulda sed "battle yer way to the end of the first hall you enter". And even there, the altar is not obvious ! Just get to that green-glow prominence, and keep mincing around till the Orb works. Then stand still and listen to Arthas (the prique) and Muradin argue. GGGGRRRRRR

Comment by Zeldax

There is a long argument about if Arthas is undead or not, and so....

JUST TO SET THE FACTS:

Arthas is undead, and like most undead, his soul was taken by Frostmourn. He cut out his heart, and honestly, I never knew I could cut out my heart and still live. So, how could he still be alive and well if he has no heart? Unless Arthas has some sort of machine pumping his blood for him in his armor, kind of like Darth Vader, he can't be alive. It is quiet unlikely that he has this machine considering that the greatest gnomish and goblin engeneers have not gotten far in technology, as of today's standards (in real life).
Arthas and Nur'zhul merged into a single omega being, yes, but then Arthas killed Nur'zhul spirit in a dream after he aquired all he needed from Nur'zhul. Must I quote the book Arthas; Rise of the Lich King?

Arthas's Past?: "You understand, now. Despite all, Arthas, you have not abandoned me. There must be a reason. Arthas Menethil . . . much harm you have done, but there is goodness in you yet. If there was none . . . I would not exist, not even in your dreams. It doesn't have to be too late."

Arthas: "No, it doesn't. But it is."

Frostmourn descended. The boy cried out, his shocked, betrayed, anguished cry--that of the wind ranging outside--and for a moment Arthas saw him standing there, the blade burried in his
check almost as big as he was, and felt one final tremor of remorse as he met his own eyes.

Ner'zhul: "Yes! I knew you would make this choice. For so long you have wrestled with the last dregs of goodness, of humanity in you, but no longer. The boy held you back, and now you are free. We are one, Arthas. Together, we are the Lich King. No more Ner'zhul, no more Arthas--only this one glorious being. With my knolage, we can--"

His eyes bulged as the sword impaled him. Arthas stepped forward, plunging the glittering, hungeing Frostmourn ever deeper into the dreambeing that had once been Ner'zhul, then the Lich King, and was soon to be nothing, nothing at all. He slipped his other arm around the body, pressing his lips so close to the green ear that the gesture was almost intimate, as intimate as the act of taking a life always was and always would be.

Arthas: "No, no we. No one tells me what to do. I've got everything I need from you--now the power is mine and mine alone. Now there is only I. I am the Lich King. And I am ready."

Must I go on?

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Edit: Typos....

Comment by badmoons73

for nOObs, you have to stand right there beside Arthas and finish the convo. don't run off and try to kill anything, don't try to follow them out! stand there until it says COMPLETE! ok finished!

Comment by Shagon

Don't follow Arthas when he runs with Frostmourne.Stay with the Dwarf to get the quest completed.

Comment by 597045

"Muradin lives?"
Well, yeah... he's sitting on the throne of Ironforge. MMO story progression at its finest.

Comment by 1440987

Frostmourne Cavern https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8smbwrEtcIQ

Comment by Boxofbeer

Frostmourne Cavern https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqrO9WCMnbA

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Frostmourne Cavern

Zelig the Visionary at Wintergarde Keep in Dragonblight wants you to use Zelig's Scrying Orb at the bottom of Frostmourne Cavern. Unlock the secrets of the past!

	Secrets of the Past Revealed (1)

Provided item:

	Zelig's Scrying Orb (1)

Description

They have labeled the cave as Frostmourne Cavern. Why the Scarlet Onslaught is interested in such things is unknown, but by the look of things, the area surrounding the cave is heavily guarded. Nonetheless, we must proceed!

Take this scrying orb and travel north out of town and then northwest towards Scarlet Point. Make your way into the cave and battle your way to the bottom. Once there, use the orb. Return here with what you discover.

Completion

Rewards

You will be able to choose one of these rewards:

	Wrap of Vigorous Destruction			Links of Righteous Persecution
	Belt of Vengeful Purification			Girdle of Forceful Annihilation

You will receive:

Gains

Upon completion of this quest you will gain:

350 reputation with Valiance Expedition

See if you've already completed this by typing:

/run print(C_QuestLog.IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(12478))