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Rank 5 -> Rank 6: +45dmg
Rank 6 -> Rank 7: +30dmg
Rank 7 -> Rank 8: +45dmg
NEW! Rank 8 -> Rank 9: +15dmg WOW!

Kommentar von Thottbot

the new rank of BS gives +15 wepon damage and +180% wepon damage not 150%

based on my wepon and atack power this would mean ~+200 backstab crit damage ~+ 75 none crit damage

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its very helpful considering its 180% not 150....so quit %^&*!in

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the only reason its 180% to some rogues is the talent in the sublty tree increaseing backstab amd ambush damage percents by 20%....

150 (backstab) + 20% = 180%

250 (ambush) + 20% = 300%

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First of all, all backstabs have 180% if you have the talent on it. SO... back to the point everyone at the top was talking about:
Why go through the time to get +15 damage ... ?

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Yea that guy can count... but that wasn't what he was doing...
20% OF...

math lessons 30$ each PST

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HAHa! Damn what a funny thread lewl!=D

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Well if you are in an end game instance, its this simple, the book drops, someone gets it. Its not something that I would say go out of my way for, but if it drops in AQ and you get it, its that little extra edge. Its not meant to be like a full 'rank' above, its kinda like .5. The fact that it is there just gives you that little something extra to be better than the competition.

If you dont think its worth it after that, let the other rogues in the raid get it, its obvious you dont want it.

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The entire game is based on maximizing your potential better than the other guys. This one allows you to increase your potency WITHOUT CHANGING YOUR GEAR. It goes right to the heart of your class, your trained skills, and makes them better. Potential added, no loss from alternate gear.

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If u have both lethality talents and Opportunity talents, 1000AP, and the dagger Death's Sting.

The max crit that you can get with this rank of backstab is 1944.2124.

The max crit with rank 8 with all the same attributes is 1897.4124.

Which is only an extra 46.8 dmg.

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Sure, at first you think that this isn't a huge difference. But think about it. You get this book in PvE (AQ20), which doesn't mean it's meant for that, but lets think about PvE-wise. You're in MC, every mob that you get the chance on as a dagger rogue, you constantly BS. Thats a LOT of backstabs. With the little damage added and +30% crit backstab + the amount of backstabs you do throughout the raid, that adds up to a significant amount of damage you are adding. Can you say move from 4th/3rd in dps to 1st?

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Do we rogues even need a better backstab? $x backstab crit means death to most classes. Gief upgrade to moonfire spam :D

Kommentar von Thottbot

those 48dmg is at least almost 100more dmg with a crit. + 30%xtra critdmg is a spec so its around 100dmg better =)

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Sure it's not a great upgrade, but on fights like Vael where we can just backstab non-stop without having to worry about energy, every little extra bit of damage is welcome (thank god there's also an upgraded feint, backstab crits one after the other = more aggro generated XD)

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i cant belive people are havin ago at this wen its an improvement? screw maths how cares the plus 44.8 dmg (or watever it was) is still more than wat you were doin? would you drop a wep that did 44.8 dmg more than the 1 u were holdin? i think not! you do more dmg = more dps = better rouge than the guy without rank 9! its that easy

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saw an epix geared rogue.
he uses mostly backstab.
he crits all time.
and let's start counting!

(and imp. backstab is counted like this. it's +30% crit chance, not +30% to YOUR crit chance.
I'm pretty sure it works like this since shatter does.)

base crit = 34.XX% (can't remember the XX)
imp. backstab = 30%
that rogue crit talent = +5%
imp. daggers = +5%

34+30+5+5=71.xx% to crit.
and no it's not like this in WoW:
34+5+5 x (1.3)

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The talents for Malice and Dagger Spec are included in the spellbook, so it's 34% + 30% = 64%. About 2/3 of his backstabs are critting.
And 34 + 30 + 5 + 5 is actually 74...

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where does this book drop at? wat instance

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what this really does is add a bunch of dmg to crits...just because it only gives 15 dmg doesnt mean it isnt worth it...the extra 15 is multiplied a few times when you score a critical...i didnt read the above comments....just putting my two cents in...plus you guys are really bad at arguing...its always L2spell and noob this and noob that...if you think anyone cares aboutbeing called a noob by someone they dont know then your an idiot...L2INSULT BETTER...or better yet....go lvl up ur lvl 1 nelf hunter that got ownt by the priest and stop complaining about all this crap....geez

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from my first UBRS ever, it dropped and I rolled it over fellow rogue. I must be lucky then.

Don't really care how much it improves as long as it does.

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I bought this book for 250g. Some of you may say that is WAY too much to spend for this book, but before I had this, I was about tied for first in DPS with another rogue in my guild. Last ZG run we did, I was 100,000 HIGHER than he was. I didn't have to do anything for 50% of the spider boss and I was STILL ahead of him by 50k! And, get this. He already has some of his tier one. And I still beat him, even with my crappy armor.
THIS BOOK IS WELL WORTH IT!

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in new patch u can learn all those book abilities from a trainer for 5 g each... thats what i did instead of buying books...

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neeeeeed it murhahaha then rogues will zomg kill all hah......

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Jaaay :)

Edited, Sat Feb 4 13:40:54 2006

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Ok...wtf, In game it says 180%, not 150%. (current spec is 30/8/13)

Kommentar von Allakhazam

u prolly have Lethality as a talentpoint, which increases dmg done by backstab+ some other skills with 30%, and 150+30 makes 180%.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Yeah this would be if you learned it unspeced the damage added actully goes up to 270 + 180% weapon damage. On a crit you would do 621+ whatever your weapon already did. Take a gutgore equiped rogue it would be 1320-1556. Mind you this is before armor mitigation. and with 796 attack power with said gutgore ripper

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