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Comment by 5509

Be prepared to do this quest over and over many times, and to be very frustrated with the people around you stealing your mobs.
I usually wait untill the slow hours untill setting foot there.

Comment by 364

Once this particular quest becomes available, you can use it to your advantage to kill two birds with one stone.

Before you start killing the Winterfall Furbolgs, make certain you have done the Winterfall Activity quest. (https://www.wowhead.com/cata/quest=8464) Once you complete the quest, you will then be able to collect Winterfall Spirit Beads (https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=21383) for the Beads for Salfa quest (https://www.wowhead.com/cata/quest=8469).

This way, you shall be able to grind not only Wintersaber Trainer faction, but you can also grind Timbermaw faction as well with the bead turn-ins.

On a seperate note, if you are getting frustrated by the presence of people in or around the Winterfall camp, if they are of the same faction as yourself, try and see if you can get together in a single party. Unlike the meat drops, since you are farming for kill counts here, so long as as you are not in a raid every kill will count to the whole group.

However, if they are of the opposite faction there is one (maybe two) things you could do. First, you could either put up with them and try to tag mobs before they do. The second bit is a bit more evil and requires a lot of patience to get the ability to do this.

Just ignore the fact that it lists this as Horde only, this quest is available to both factions once they hit exalted with Timbermaw. It's called The Root of All Evil (https://www.wowhead.com/cata/quest=8481). It gives you a torch that you can use to summon an elite demon to that cave north of the Winterfall Village. The demon will then try and lay waste to anyone who is unlucky enough to get close to it. He'll make short work of most farmers, but (and I'm not completely certain on this) until you complete, drop, or fail the quest itself (or maybe log out or leave the area?), he won't despawn.

Comment by 2590

Though there is another quest to kill giants once you're honored with the Wintersaber faction, this quest is your meat and potatoes on this terrible grind. One thing to take note of: shamans are the rare spawns on this quest. If i'm the only one farming the village (late late night :P) I try to keep the bottom and middle floor clear of denwatchers and ursas so that shamans have room to spawn. If you ride up the mountain overlooking the village, there is a whole ridge of Ursas, so you need to maintain a supply of shamans to keep the pace up.

There are 2 patrols that can spawn as shamans as well, on top of the ridge and in front of the village. If they aren't a shaman, they are a denwatcher, so just take it out and hope for a shaman spawn next time you come back from turning in.

The runners that come through the village do not aggro by proximity but they are social atleast to the chief, so be careful.

There are chests that spawn at both the houses on the edges of the upperlevel, and both the houses at the edge of the bottom level. I've pulled greens, blues, etc out of them, but usually get ores, bars, food, herbs, water, etc :P Some of the grinders I quested with completely ignored the chests to save time doing the quest; whatever floats your boat eh? : )

There is a named rare spawn thats also a good snag for greens; he spawns near the chief: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/npc=10199

When running back to the Quest NPC to turn this quest in, you want to have all your riding speed gear on and basically make a bee-line over the mountain ridges, avoiding mobs because they will knock you off your mount.

You can eventually get very fast at this quest, especially if you can maintain a spawn of shamans up. Grouping with people, whether or not they are doing the quest, can help a lot as well.

There used to be a bug where you would get credit for quest kills halfway across the map of winterspring, but that was fixed quite some time ago : P

Comment by 10742

Just completed the quest as a Gnome (currently Honored) and received 75 rep for the quest turn-in.

Comment by 54334

I've been farming these guys for 35 minutes and haven't got 1 meat. Are the drop rates really this horrible?

Comment by 49663

On the 2.3 PTR this quest now gives 250 rep

Comment by 125087

250 rep / 275 for a human.

kill 10 npc. say thats 1 minute each so 10 minutes.
then you get to run back and forth to the trainer and the furbolgs. lets say a 5 minute round trip(with 75 riding skilll)

15 minutes given to each quest.(unless a lvl 60 with 75 riding wants to test this, no carrot,spurs,or glove enchant as not everybody will have any/all of those)

4 quests per hour. would have been hell at 50 rep per quest.

say you do this for 10 hours a day thats 40 a day. take just under 4 days to do it.(not accounting for the 1500 rep already needed to pick up this quest.

lvl 58s can pick up the meat quest which is prolly even longer since its not 100% drop rate. but you have to be 60 to pick up this one and the elites one.

Comment by 125087

do Ursa and Shaman offer any rep for killing them?

Comment by 151385

I've actually made qutie a bit of cash off the Firewaters that drop. People really like the size increase :)

Comment by 172152

Currently being 1010/12000 into honored here are my tips for this quest. You MUST be alliance to do these quests.

The Wintersaber Trainers are located in Northern Winterspring and pretty much the point of grinding reputation with them is solely to get Reins of the Winterspring Frostsaber. Now, pre-BC this mount was extremely hard to get due to the little amount of reputation you would get per quest turn in thus the grind was highly not worth it. Since Burning Crusade came out the reputation has been increased however the mount is still uncommon since people don't find the worth of the grind.

To get started you must find Rivern Frostwind (Note: he is literally on top of the giant rock at (49,9). You can get up to him from the back of the rock).

Outline of the reputation levels:

Frostsaber Provisions
1500/3000 Reputation: Winterfall Intrusion

Overview of the quests:

This quest seems pretty straight forward. I suggest killing Elder Shardtooth and Chillwind Ravager to get these meats. I find a good place to farm these is around (58,19). They have about a 30% drop rate.

Winterfall Intrusion
This quest becomes unlocked at 1500/3000 Neutral
Repuation: 250 (Humans: 275)
For this quest you need to slay:

Winterfall Shaman (5)
Winterfall Ursa (5)

This quest you need to head down to the Winterfall Village (67,36). If you're finding a lack of Winterfall Ursa look on the hill behind the camp. Shamans are spawned inside the camp. If you see a lack of them kill what's in there and some will spawn. There is always a shaman with High Chief Winterfall.

Rampaging Giants (Group)
This quest becomes unlocked at Honored
Repuation: 350 (Humans: 385)
For this quest you need to slay:

Frostmaul Giant (4)
Frostmaul Preserver (4)

This quest you need to head down to the Frostwhisper Gorge (62,67). And ramp down can be found at (59,64). These have a good spawn rate, pretty evenly mixed. If someone else if farming them you can hear back up and across the bridge to about (62,73) and you'll find more there. These are 60 elites however they are pretty easy to kill (me being a 0,21,40 destro warlock). The only downside to this quest is really the walk.

Tips for farming:

It's always nice to have a friend. This is a really boring grind so it's nice to have someone to do it with.
Riding Crop or Skybreaker Whip are worth it for this grind
Except for the elites, you can pull a few of these a time as a 70 and be okay.
Once you hit honored and you unlock Rampaging Giants I would only do that and Winterfall Intrusion. The ride is longer but not having to farm the meat with the bad drop rate and the bonus repuation is worth it if you can take the elites.
Don't get discouraged. It seems like it's gonna take forever but it's not as bad as it seems. In one day I'm a bit into honored.

Some math:

Neutral -> Friendly:

Repeating: Frostsaber Provisions:
12 trips ---- Humans: 11 trips
Repeating: Frostsaber Provisions and adding Winterfall Intrusion at (1500/3000):
9 trips --- Humans: 9 (there'll be a bit of leftover)

Friendly -> Honored

Repeating: Frostsaber Provisions or Winterfall Intrusion:
24 trips ---- Humans: 22 trips
Repeating: Frostsaber Provisions and Winterfall Intrusion:
12 trips --- Humans: 11

Honored -> Revered

Repeating: Frostsaber Provisions or Winterfall Intrusion:
48 trips ---- Humans: 44 trips
Repeating: Frostsaber Provisions and Winterfall Intrusion:
24 trips --- Humans: 22
Repeating: Frostsaber Provisions or Winterfall Intrusion and Rampaging Giants:
20 trips --- Humans: 19
Repeating: Frostsaber Provisions and Winterfall Intrusion and Rampaging Giants:
15 trips --- Humans: 13

Revered -> Exalted (Same order as above)

84 trips --- Humans: 77
42 trips --- Humans: 39
35 trips --- Humans: 32
25 trips --- Humans: 23

Good luck all!

Comment by 172118

opps wrong quest lol. But to talk about this one, This is an easy quest. it saves A LOT of time. this one you just need to kill 10 (5 for each type) and thats fast. the previous quest you needed to kill the monster and try and get 10 meats ( 5 from each) with a really low drop rate that you normally kill alot more than 10. it gives you the same amount of rep as the last one also. and srry about the last post of mine on this lol. : )

Comment by Seafog

Having completed this grind now, I see a few missing details on the spawn points. Here is how the spawns really work so you can maximise shaman spawns. Basically, if it CAN spawn as a shaman, but it hasn't, kill it. There are plenty of guaranteed ursa up top. Waiting for shaman repops is very boring, you WILL have to wait fairly regularly if you don't do this and 'thinning' the herd is easy at 70.

Outside the wall: All den watchers except one. The exception can spawn as a shaman or a den watcher. This is the only one that roams and it will path across the road. Learn to recognize its path and kill it if appropriate.

Lower level: The ones around the huts can spawn as den watchers or shamans. So kill any den watchers that spawn here. There are a few well away from the huts, they only spawn as den watchers so you can ignore them.

Middle level: There are 7 spawn points here. They are either shaman or ursa, so kill any ursa that pop.

Cave: The chief and a shaman spawn here, and occasionally a rare spawn furbolg. Never anything else.

Hilltop level: These are always ursa except for one. The exception is either a den watcher or a shaman. The exception is also the only roamer up here and is generally easy to spot. Kill it if appropriate.

Comment by Mixel

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but I'd recommend that any shamans doing this grind set your hearth to Everlook and get a Glyph of Astral Recall. With the glyph you get a total of 10 hearths per hour including your hearthstone, which will obviously save you quite a bit of time in the long run.

Comment by 484004

This is truly a grind. Therefore, in the interest of efficiency, I clocked myself after receiving the Winterfall Intrusion quest and having some practice at making the runs.

It took me 23 minutes to complete both the Sabertooth Provisions and the Winterfall Intrusion quests roundtrip from Rivern Frostwind and back with a very short stop at Everlook (which you are right next to anyway after doing Winterfall) to clear out my inventory and do minor repairs at the armor repair shop.

It took me 11 minutes roundtrip (with no stop at Everlook) to go straight to Winterfall and complete that quest and run back to Rivern.

Moral of the story: some folks are saying to stop doing the provision quest once you get Winterfall Intrusion to be more efficient on time. However, this doesn't actually play out in reality. It will take you just as long if you concentrate on just Winterfall, and Winterfall is also often farmed, which means you may run into down time waiting for things to respawn (while you can always find plenty of bears and chimeras).

That being said, it will take 87 trips total to reach Exalted status (if you do not include Rampaging Giants). I am doing this as a level 61 Frost Mage and don't think I can kill the giants solo, although I haven't tried since a few levels ago. Let's assume you're a little quicker than me and can do the provision run in 10 minutes or the combo run in 20 minutes. Doing the math, you will spend:

14.5 HOURS OF YOUR LIFE just to get a cool looking mount that doesn't even run slightly faster. We are truly geeks.

Comment by 341860

So after reading that this quest becomes available at 1500/3000, I decided to check out what my rep was at with them. I hit exalted with the Timbermaw about 2 weeks ago and am currently sitting at 550/3000 (still Neutral) with the Wintersabers and this quest is now available to me. You DO NOT have to be 1500/3000, just exalted with Timbermaw to open the quest.

Comment by 243011

These are my timings for this quest and the provisions quest:

From inn in Wintergrasp, via Winterfall village and then pick up the meat: 10 minutes.
This can be done once every 30 minutes via HS.

Full round, both quests, stone to stone: 15 minutes (2k rep/hour)

Doing just the provisions quest: 7-8 minutes so about the same rep per hour as a full round, but without bonus rep for Timbermaw hold.

This is a level 80 titans grip warrior, so I have to get close to the mob but oneshot everything.

One timesaver I use is that I am an engineer so I jump off the cliff and parachute down to land on the other side of the glade, shave off probably 10-15 seconds and with all these runs, that will amount to something.

Theoretical timings:
HS to Everlook - 1st run 10 minutes 500 rep
Make a full run - 500 rep 15 minutes
Do only provisions - 250 rep 8 minutes
repeat
This way you get 1250 rep every 33 minutes (about 2250 rep/hr) and can sell and mail off stuff.

HS to everlook - 10 min 500 rep
2 full runs: 1000 rep 30 minutes
repeat
That is 1500 rep in 40 minutes or 2250 rep per hour.

Basically, keep doing full runs especially if you need the Timbermaw hold rep.

Comment by johnnyrizzle

This is much easier now as of 4.0.3a

Every mob in the village is either a Shaman or an Ursa, and there are a few more mob spawns about too.

Comment by 769519

If you didn't know, there are additional mobs on the snowy hills behind the village. If you are alone in the village they should help you finish the quest without waiting for respawns

Comment by Barleduq

This quest seems to be gone as of May 2012 - I'm doing the wintersaber mount daily without ever seeing this quest offered. Maybe it should be marked obsolete?

Comment by Thottbot

im level 60, and been doing the frostsaber provision quest for a little while, 3-4 times. and this guy won't give the quest. just wondering if you have to be friendly or if there are pre-reqs

Comment by Thottbot

I asked a GM about this.
He said that the quest of this guy were purely intended to raise faction.

What reward you would get when you get to revered status, he wouldn't tell.

Comment by Thottbot

been doing that quest and got myself halfway in the neutral rep and i got the next quest winterfall intrusion and u could also do the frostsaber provisions to double ur rep...now working to get thatlast quest so i could get that mount

Comment by Thottbot

you get a new quest at each rank up in faction. Once you get exalted you can get a new type of epic mount

Comment by Thottbot

you need to do the first quest 31 to tricker this one..

the first quest could be done on about 30 mins, while this one can be done on 15 mins.

a tip.. doing this grant you rep at the Timbermaw Furbolgs, so after a while you can buy some nice recepies and stuff, which we'rent availeble before.

Comment by Thottbot

Look for "Meilosh" and "Gorn one Eye".

You need the Timbermaw friendly for Meilosh and honored for Gorn. A long way.

Comment by Thottbot

ive been doing this for 3 days now and now that ive got second quest it does seem a little bit easier. tactic being kill mobs for first quest on way to kill winterfall mobs then once thats complete kill what ever u need to complete first quest on way back to hand in second quest. Still a hard task but it is for an epic mount stick with it and am sure u will get it :) bonus 2 second quest boosts ure rep with timbermaws

Comment by Thottbot

I just let the rest of the farmers there take care of killing the den watchers and everything else that moves.

Comment by Thottbot

do get the same 50 rep for all three quests?

Comment by Thottbot

Dont know what its like on other servers but the village is constantly farmed bare on my server. Unless Im doing this in the early hours of the morning I can expect the whole place to be completely furbolg-less.

Comment by Thottbot

This mount is very hard to get. First you need to do the first quest 20 times in order to do the second one. When you reach exalted you'll be able to get an epic mount. A very cool one. But the beauty of it is that you don't need the epic mount riding skill to use it!

Comment by Thottbot

ok after you do the annoying meat gathering quest 20 times to get this one, go to everlook and set your hearth there. Every time you run back to Rivern to turn in the quest you can use astral recall to hearth back to Everlook and cut your riding time for the whole grind in half. Dont forget your normal hearth either =). Good Luck Shamans FTW

EDIT: just started doing it 5-10 min runs

Comment by Thottbot

I said the same thing about AV LOL

I grinded my ass of to exalted when it first came out then they changed to were anyone can get exalted in like 2 weeks of moderate play ... bastards!

Comment by Thottbot

why is it that it's so hard to find ursas and shamans are everywhere D:

Comment by Thottbot

I believe this might help a bit:

http://www.wowwiki.com/images/c/cc/Winterfall_intrusion.jpg

Comment by Thottbot

250 rep per hand in now

Comment by Thottbot

i have real trouble trying to find Ursas. its gay.

Comment by Thottbot

Well, I've been doing this quest for a bit on Lothar-- and I've found that Shamans are definitely the hardest to find...in the evening. In the early morning, (I'm talking 4:30-5:30am), all I could find were Shamans! Ursas, however, were a-plenty on the southern hillside, just as an above poster mentioned.

Comment by Thottbot

Update on the reins of the Wintersaber Quest. Rep is now 250 per turn in. I am currently on friendly, so with the furlbogs and the meats thats 500 per run. I am also using this to boost my leatherworking skill. Because its only a short flight to Darnassus to get new patterns i have been able to go from 260 to 287 in no time at all. Also got dragonscale skill so when i hit 300 it's a quick flight to Azshara to pick up patterns for some serious kit. Hope this is useful and or interesting to someone

Comment by Thottbot

Used to be attainable at 60? Need to fix it on wowwiki!

Comment by Allakhazam

You start out at 0/3000 in Neutral with this faction.

At that rep you get the quest Frostsaber Provisions.

You have to complete the Frostsaber Provisions quest enough times to raise your rep to 1500/3000 in Neutral at which point this quest becomes an option.

Comment by Allakhazam

You get the quest after you do Frostsaber Provisions and get the faction to halfway in Neutral.

The quest changes again when you get honored.

You must be (not sure on this, as I am not there yet) either revered or exhaulted to purchase the special frostsaber mount.

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Comment by Allakhazam

The quest for me required:
5 kills Winterfall Ursa (lvls 52 - 58) 67,37
5 kills Winterfall Shaman (lvls 51-57) 67,35
5 kills Winterfall Den Watcher (lvls 50-56) 66,34

Comment by Allakhazam

Why cant i get this quest?
Is it possilby required honored or revered status for it?

Comment by Allakhazam

You do not need to kill Den Watchers for this quest, only Ursa and Shaman. I am currently on this quest.

Unless they've changed the quest line since then?

Comment by Allakhazam

Just started on these last night, if you are partied with someone who is also on the quest, you don't have to be anywhere near them to get kill credit. You can be at Frostsaber handing in the quest and getting the next, and as your riding back, you can see your kills mounting up. Not sure if this would work if you are partied for someone not on the quest though. However, if guildies need Timbermaw rep, they could do worse than help you out.

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Winterfall Intrusion

Rivern Frostwind wants you to slay 5 Winterfall Shaman and 5 Winterfall Ursa.

	Winterfall Shaman slain (5)
	Winterfall Ursa slain (5)

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My presence goes unnoticed by most, <name>. However, there is an annoyance that seems firmly rooted here in Winterspring: the Winterfall furbolg.

Although I have never directly attacked the furbolg, they seem crazed, fearful of anything in their path. I have watched them slay countless creatures that had the misfortune to simply be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I am weary of their meddling -- please, help me by fighting back. Slay the furbolg and keep them away from Frostsaber Rock.

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Upon completion of this quest you will gain:

250 reputation with Wintersaber Trainers

See if you've already completed this by typing:

/run print(C_QuestLog.IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(5201))

Winterfall Intrusion

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