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Comment by Boshnak

This is absolutely awesome. I'm very happy they are bringing this back, in the form of a tinker nonetheless! :) 10 minute cooldown, requires Master Engineer and also provides a passive +45 stam in addition to its ability. It also makes your helm really erm, stand out.. I'll post a screenshot as soon as I can.

Comment by 415806

I don't think I enjoy the idea of my helm's model changing so I can mind control people every 10 minutes.
So im sure it has the same limitations as a priest's Mind control, no mind controlling raid bosses.

:(

Comment by greystoker

Can someone tell me if the helm still shows if you've chosen to NOT display your helm in the game options?

Comment by 368647

I'm not real ecstatic that it changed the model of your helm... I hope this is changed.

Comment by 268335

Is this enchant permament?
It says Dismantle and reassembles, so can you Remove the enchant and reaply the same thing on the helm all the time you want? or it is permament and can be only overwritten by a new enchant?

Comment by 54514

Two questions regarding this head enchant:

1) Does it have a cast time? If so, how long?

2) Does the mind-controlled target become a guardian (uncontrollable but friendly and set to "defensive") a pet (a la Hunter or Warlock, and thus replacing a current pet) or mind controlled (relinquishing control of your character to take control of the target.)

As a hunter you currently can NOT Eyes of the Beast the MC'ed person to take direct control of them

That comment makes me inclined to believe it does not function as a Mind Control spell, despite the wording.

If they despawn your current pet this will be less than stellar for a Warlock or Hunter.

I'm hoping it makes them a friendly "Guardian". Anyone know for sure?

Comment by behemoth1979

Note this tinker cannot be applied to the crafted epic goggles,

Because they already have a useless on activated ability (look far into the distance) BOOOOOO!

Comment by 319330

where do you get the schemetic?

Comment by 313118

Marvellous, just marvellous.... A patch where Blizzard finally seems to have decided to make engineering a more attractive profession, they give us a really cool head enchant, and what's the one type of helm they decide to make it impossible to use it on? The ENGINEERING helms! Common sense 1, Blizz 0 ;-(

Comment by 42935

When you use this item, one of 4 things can happen...

It succeeds almost instantly.
It fails almost instantly.
It backfires and your character becomes mind controlled
A purple beam links you to your target, engaging in a "mental battle". This always seems to end in a draw, with neither you or the target gaining control.

If successful against an NPC target, you'll get get a standard pet bar and gain access to the NPC's abilities. If it's an enemy player, telling it to Attack a target will cause the player to start using his abilities at random.

Super fun to start large pulls with, or to make warlocks kill their own pets!

Comment by Andie39

Had some fun in Ulduar today with this I MC'ed one of the patrolling trash mobs to Thorim and engaged the other with my new pet, the raid was confused as to what was happening. In the end the tanks still needed to pick them up but it was fun. Oh and Ice Block helped when they both ran for me ;-p

Comment by Larrythebomb5001

sigh i wish they would make this more usefull for hunters such as myself... need to make it so it dismisses your pet for u and than takes control, otherwise its pretty darn cool.

Comment by 437822

The fact that that silly looking hat cannot be hidden like any other head item is an outrage and makes me regret that i ever used the damn thing!

Comment by 437866

Does anybody know if it can be used in the Instructor Razz fight in Naxx?

Comment by 59697

Does this overwrite the other helm enchants or is it in addition?

Comment by Andx

This thing rocks, no question about it!

When you use it, there is a chance that one of four things will happen (as Stupiful said)

Most of the time, it seems like it succeeds at controlling your target!
When you control anyone, who is a player controlled target, you'll get the ability to use anyone of his abilities randomly. When you press attack with, i.e. A mage, you have a chance of using any of his abilities.

I was fighting two hordes, a mage and a rogue, I mind-controlled the mage, and pressed attack. He ran towards the rogue, as he passed by me, he buffed me with his Arcane intellect. Then he Pom-pyro'ed the rogue, I had a great laugh! :D

This thing rock, and I use it EVERYTIME it's off cooldown! :D

Edit: Spelling

Comment by parl2001

flying players are generally immune (unless right on the ground?)

Comment by 54811

As a pve note. It works just fine in the Thorim 25-man Ulduar fight to MC Warbringers. I use this chant rather than a stam def helm enchant as im way over def cap and this has more stam. A simple /tar and /use macro and i was having a warbringer killing off the adds in arena portion just fine. As well during the duration your raid will (as mine did) receive the Aura of Celerity buff as long as you have him as a pet. No priest has to bother, though it is far more temporary. It has some minimal use as a quick mini heroism. Also I had zero Failures on each MC attempt and did it several times now. Also worked on the evokers. Although they are less usefull.

Comment by kessmalit

for me 4 things have happened

it works
it fails
it backfires and enemy controls you
you shoot a purple beam at the enemy and go into "mental combat" basically puts you in a channel and the enemy into a long incapacitate

also gives you a "dullard" debuff if you lose

Comment by 178572

Hmm, was excited for this, but glad I didn't use it now. Ugly and no way around it, and you don't control it like the old MC helm. Pretty much is a waste of everything.

Comment by 140374

Maybe a stupid question, but does this tinker count as the helm's enchant slot?

Comment by Zelspawn

Can a non-engineer benefit from the passive 45 stamina?

Comment by 415042

I was really disappointed to see that you cant tinker your https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=42549 with this. I'd much rather have this than "Look far into the distance" =(

Comment by 442027

This tinker is quite sad when put in the hands of a pet class. You have to disable your pet to be able to use it.

To disable your pet and use this tinker, however, press this macro:

#showtooltip Furious Gladiator's Felweave Cowl
/script PetDismiss()
/use Furious Gladiator's Felweave Cowl

Ofc, you need to replace the cowl with your helmet.

Comment by taurenmoo812

Another factor not mentioned about it is this 'buff' will not be able to apply to a helm that already has a right click ability, like the epic engineering goggles with there far sight ability.
I was really &*!@ed off when I found this out as it would be a dam sight better for leveling my rogue with this, and fun in pvp, and I don't want to have to settle for a crappy blue helm until I get to lv80.

Comment by 108399

I just made this today, as a lv74 mindcontrolling a 80 ret paladin with conquer gear and 3 shooting a 78 warlock in AV surely made me smile, this is a MUST have item for any engineer!

Comment by Sash

Two questions;

A) Can you put it on the old Gnomish Mind Control Cap?

B) If you ut it on a helm and overwrite it, does the new graphic stay?

Comment by Nees

Been having some fun with it now, using it on both players and npc's.
Players seem to be able to trinket out of it, that's a shame.
I've found it useful to cap the SP aid station gy in AV; use one of the elite npc's to attack the guards and cap the gy yourself.
Though all in all I don't think I'll be using it for anything really significant. Just for some laughs I guess :)

edit: more weird stuff. I tried using it on an NPC in AV and it backfired. I started attacking my own raid members. When the effect was gone, the NPC turned gray, as if someone else tagged it.

Comment by 232030

This. Tinker. Looks. COOL.

To all those who never played pvp at 60 with a classic mind control cap and think this tinker looks dumb: Phooey on you!

(inc super downrating)

Comment by MoonLite

A few ideas to put it on:
Green Winter Hat (tailoring)
Red Winter Hat (tailoring)
Brown Brewfest Hat (seasonal)
Violet Hat (55g ,but bought easily in Dalaran)
Lucky Fishing Hat (fishing contest)
they have recognisable icons, easy to notice in todays large bags, plus you might be carrying them around anyway in a vanity corner

I guess you could use them on spiffy items aswell, but who'd want to ruin the good looks?
i.e. Chef's Hat, Haliscan Brimmed Hat, Battered Jungle Hat

also, if you still have it Party Hat Mistake is appropriate (mail) ;)

Comment by Perrycox

I don't know why everyone is complaining about the appearances. I got it because it has more stam than Arcanum of the Stalwart Protector, and I don't need the defense since I have Repelling Charge.

Some people ask me about my helm, but pretty much everyone thinks it's awesome. And I agree.

Comment by 232030

From the patch notes:

World of Warcraft PTR Patch 3.2.2

Engineering

* The Mind Amplification Dish no longer changes the appearance of your helmet.

Comment by Aidsphish

Not usable in arena T-T

Comment by 121611

No longer changes the graphic your helm as of patch 3.2.2.

source: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/#3.2.2

Comment by 461365

First use....backfire! kthxbliz!

/fail

Comment by MelTorefas

I have found that this enhancement actually shines the most as a tank. Charge in, MC one of the enemies, let it help you DPS while you tank. When the MC wears off you've got a good bit of hate on the mob so it will focus on you. Plus, 45stam is better than the rep tanking enchant if you are defense capped otherwise. All in all a very nice engineering/tank perk, especially now that it doesn't change the helm graphic.

Caveat: Assuming it works. Otherwise... heh. Tired brain is slow.

Random thought: be cool if Engineers got some (definitely expensive) thing they could apply that would make it so the device/item it was applied to lost its backfire/fail chance. Some sort of unique upgrade so that you'd have to pick a single item at any given time to have that "failsafe" on. With maybe iLevel/other reqs or something.

Comment by 312797

This does not work on the faction champion's fight in Trial of the Crusader.

Comment by Axier

Now no longer changes the appearance of the helm itself. Meaning you can still look epic, and mind control too!

Comment by 57798

So just wondering...
Do MC'd player take falling damage?
Like say for example, if I MC'd someone and we both ran off a cliff...
while I parachute down.

Comment by guntitan

Can you tinker it to Gnomish X-Ray Specs? You could make the Night Elf ladies dance...

Comment by 378995

THIS IS AN AMAZING TINKER FOR HUNTERS!
I was in storm peaks when suddendly a paladin attacked me, first reaction was to whip out frost trap/disengage. Paladin trinkets out and comes at me i sart kiting him he freedoms blablabla you know the drill. He get close gets a hit and gets mind controlled. He must have wondered what the *!@# was going on since when you mind control a other character he uses random abilities when you press attack. So I spam attack, he uses BoP on me, throws me a heal and he then bubbled out of my MC 5 sec before it broke. I am not sure if he bubbled or if the attack button made him bubble but in any case many of his CD's were off and i then proceeded to kite him down. It made my day. All this to say that it completely kills melee mobs with CD's like rogues and paladins, I wonder if CoS would break the effect?

Comment by ziraija

just to add one thing about the Mental Battle. Its actually quiet usefull, you cant trinket out from it. Nothing is gonna prevent others from killing your target while you channel it since it dosnt break from damage (well paladins and their bubble can get out from it but they would just waste it).

Comment by Chronalis

Mind Amplification Dish
M.A.D.

Not a coincidence

Comment by 434559

Can This Effect be used in Arena?

Comment by Kaitain

For use in BGs:

As mentioned above you can control an enemy player near a cliff, jump off and use your parachute. When your controlled player first walks over the cliff to follow you he will behave like NPCs sometimes do on cliffs, sticking to the cliff in a buggy looking way. As you fall away the enemy player will go out of range and become hostile again, no longer behave like an NPC, and fall to their deaths.

It's possible that a warlock could do this then teleport back onto the cliff as soon as the target goes hostile again and falls down, but my warlock is not an engineer so I can't try it.

Rogues and Druids can restealth while the target is controlled. This is particularly useful for Feral druids who can get very valuable control from being about to re-use Pounce in combat as it is not on the same DR as their other stuns. Rogues will also benefit from a free Cheap Shot in this way, but rogues have Vanish where ferals don't.

Similarly, you will go out of combat and can get in a few drink ticks while they are controlled, provided you are ready to deal with the situation as soon as the control breaks.

If you have DoTted the target before you mind control them, they continue to take damage when friendly. As such it is very useful for classes with powerful DoTs. You can essentially control someone to death if you DoT them up at medium low HP then control them and watch the DoTs tick.

Comment by 240210

hi all

why can i not use this on my are it not stack with the meta/color gems? pls help me

and ty for all

Take care :)

Comment by unclevinny

I haven't seen anyone else mention this, but as a warlock, if I try to use this while I have a pet summoned, it says "You already have a pet", and won't let me MC.

Comment by Delvara

In a WSG match, I epic won with this.

I 'MC' the Flag Carrier.

He had a disc priest healing him.

They penance'd them to death!

Comment by 258622

It Appears the Mind control leaves the enemies with pretty decent A.I. I used it on a ret paladin who was playing bodyguard for a squishy Hunter and shaman, he popped wings and just destroyed the 2 of them, was really amusing to watch.

Comment by 551248

I guess this does not work in the Arena?

Comment by 463376

After thinking on it a while, and disgusted that I won't be able to use this on my epic engineering goggles, I decided to put it on my Deepdive Helmet. Easy to spot in my bag, I keep it anyway as it still comes in handy so it's not taking up an extra slot and makes that helm 50stam so I don't drop a bunch of stam when I'm using it.

Comment by 548002

PVP utility aside, this is also a nice tanking enchant. Arcanum of the Stalwart Protector (https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=44150) is often regarded as the ONLY option for a tank's head enchant, but, frankly, once your stats are up, that 20 defense rating is nothing thanks to diminishing returns. I'll take the extra stamina from the Dish, thanks...even a marginal improvement is an improvement.

Comment by ivantz

I guess it can´t be applied to anyone else, so why it says it requires 350 engineering, while you can´t learn it until 410, or can it be enhanced to somebody else helmet?

Comment by Xirobe

I have 2 questions about this:

1. Is there a way to end the effect early, rather than waiting for time to runout?

2. Does it stack with the head enchants from rep? I'm guessing not.

Comment by Derren

are druids immune to it/backfire? I know in the past with the old mind control cap you were immune in forms if it backfire

Comment by 476166

"3. seems Pallys can bubble out of this? Or does it have a hugely reduced duration and/or chance to succeed in BGs?"

Pallys can bubble out of it, since Divine Shield behaves like a trinket on use (trinkets can break MC as well).

"are druids immune to it/backfire"

It affects Druids just as well as it affects other classes. This isn't a form of Polymorph, it's a CC.

As for the people replacing the rep tank enchant with this, the rep enchant gives 20 additional defense rating, which adds to your avoidance even if you're crit-capped (defense-capped means crit capped -- mobs can't crit you anymore; but it doesn't mean defense does any less in terms of reducing damage). The MAD adds 8 additional Stamina, which increases when you get hit with Blessing of Kings or Sanc.

If you're wondering which would be more useful, it depends on your tank style really. If you're a tank who prefers avoidance, go for the rep enchant; if you want to soak more damage, use this. The MC ability is a bonus and nothing more.

EDIT: Let me know why you're downranking please? I haven't stated any incorrect information.

Comment by parl2001

Some issues:

Don't use it on paladins - they will just bubble.
You can trinket out of it afaik.
Backfire can be useful sometimes, as seen in Unmercey 8 pvp video (?).
I use it extensively in BGs as a feral - and have never seen it backfire on me while in form. In fact, I've never seen it backfire ...probably since I'm almost 99% of the time in form.

SOMETHING is causing a 20second cooldown on this. Investigating now.

EDIT: Platinum Disks of Battle

Other trinkets ...dunno.

EDIT 2: Hand-Mounted Pyro Rocket causes a 10-second cd. Weird.

Comment by breaker581

Still not able to use on engineering goggles in WotLK Classic. Bug report has been filed with Blizzard, however it does not look like they will reverse it. :(

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Mind Amplification Dish

Mind Amplification Dish
5 sec cast

Tools:

Arclight Spanner

Reagents:

Saronite Bar (8), Froststeel Tube

Attaches a tiny mind amplification dish to your helmet, increasing Stamina by 45 and allowing you to engage in mental battle with your enemies to, hopefully, control them. Can be used every 10 min.

Enchanting your helm binds it to you. Requires 350 engineering to use.

Reagents

	Saronite Bar (8)
	Smelt Saronite (8)
	Saronite Ore (16)
	Froststeel Tube (1)
	Froststeel Tube (1)
	Cobalt Bar (8)
	Smelt Cobalt (8)
	Cobalt Ore (8)
	Crystallized Water (1)
	Crystallized Water (1)

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n/a

Cost

None

Range

0 yards (Self)

Cast time

5 seconds

Cooldown

n/a

GCD

0 seconds

Effect

Enchant Item: Mind Amplification Dish (3878)
PVP Multiplier: 1

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Tradeskill recipe
Target must be own item

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