Seems like no1 mentioned that alot of paladins are actually switching SoB/SoM and SoC in PvP, depending of the situation. Finally a Libram that Horde & Alliance Paladins can use in both PvE/PvP, that it is only obtainable by PvP is a bit ridicilious but it is a step in the right direction for a Libram to work in pve/pvp along for both factions and seals!

Комментарий от 176520

I think the ''Requires personal and team arena rating of 2030'' thing in the tooltip is wrong because when I link it ingame it doesnt write any rating requirements.

Комментарий от 152010

PTR 3.0.8 Notes update
Arenas
Arena rating requirements for all Deadly Gladiator's Arena items have been reduced by 100.

which means actual arena price for this item has been dropped to 1930.

Комментарий от Gharron

Really a great libram. I think its okay its pvp coz the other pvp librams was quite a failure. I havent really seen any1 use retrilibram that gained Resi. But i see your point that its a bit wrong its ONLY obtainable from pvp-vendor.

Комментарий от frmorrison

This libram is worth 120 attack power in PvE, because it was buffed in 3.1 to have a 10 second duration (pre 3.1 it had a 6 second duration).

Комментарий от 307435

It is quite annoying that the buff lasts only 6 seconds. Since you usually use Crusader Strike after Judgement, your Judgment will never recieve the attack power bonus because its remaining cooldown will be 6.5 seconds after Crusader Strike is used.
However if you have the 4-piece-bonus of T7 or Gladiator Armor, your Judgement will be able to benefit from thee buff since the CD is 1 second less.

Комментарий от 161971

If you're not using crusader strike after judgements, you are infact doing it wrong and need to work on your dps rotation. Don't give out information when you have no clue how to play a class properly.

Back up your words with some sort of logic. What Lindsfarne said is correct - if you judge and then Crusader Strike then your cooldowns will always conflict on the next cooldown.

What I do sometimes if I want to start attacking but I'm not in melee range yet is open with Judgement, then Divine Storm, then Crusader Strike. This at least puts Judgement and Crusader Strike so they don't come off cooldown at the same time.

Adding in Visual aid. Assuming you're just looking at Crusader Strike before judgement Judgement vs. Judgement then Crusader Strike (which obviously you've got other cooldowns like Divine Storm & Consecrate but this is looking purely at cooldown conflict between CS and Judge)

Judgment -> Crusader
0s - Judgement
1.5s - Crusader Strike
7.5s - Crusader Strike
9s - Judgement (1s delay from GCD)
13.5s - Crusader Strike
17s - Judgement
19.5s - Crusader Strike
25s - Judgment
26.5s - Crusader Strike

Crusader -> Judgement
0s - Crusader Strike
1.5s - Judgement
6s - Crusader Strike
9.5s - Judgment
12s - Crusader Strike
17.5s - Judgment
19s - Crusader Strike (1s delay from GCD)
25s - Crusader Strike
26.5s - Judgment (1.5s delay from GCD)

Looking at this timeline. It looks like it doesn't really impact your number of CS's or Judgments in a cycle. In 26.5 seconds you can do the exact same number of each whether you start with Crusader or Judgement. Also looked if you add in Divine Storm after and it fits in just as well with either.

Judgment -> Crusader -> Divine Storm
0s - Judgement
1.5s - Crusader Strike
3s - Divine Storm
7.5s - Crusader Strike
9s - Judgement (1s delay from GCD)
13s - Divine Storm
14.5s - Crusader Strike (1s delay from GCD)
17s - Judgement
20.5s - Crusader Strike
23s - Divine Storm
25s - Judgment
26.5s - Crusader Strike

Crusader -> Judgement -> Divine Storm
0s - Crusader Strike
1.5s - Judgement
3s - Divine Storm
6s - Crusader Strike
9.5s - Judgment
12s - Crusader Strike
13.5s - Divine Storm (.5s delay from GCD)
17.5s - Judgment
19s - Crusader Strike (1s delay from GCD)
23.5s - Divine Storm
25s - Crusader Strike
26.5s - Judgment (1.5s delay from GCD)

Комментарий от 335469

Retadins don't have a rotation. We first come first serve as long as you follow the order of which attack does more DPS, which always starts with judgement and then CS. Rotations just aren't possible. Our CDs just don't match up and no matter what rotation you try, the CDs will always end up conflicting at one point and screw whatever fail rotation you have going. If you don't start with AW then Judgement then CS, you're a failadin.

What I find funny is that in daltoni's rotation, he uses DS third, before consecration.

Only time I see someone use something else first is when they use DS before judgement and CS because they have the Venture Co. libram. IMO the crit from the libram isn't enough to warrant DS going first, but I understand that reasoning more than the fail logic up there.

Комментарий от ShiroRX

judge -> ds -> consecrate -> crusader

that should be everyone's first rotation, with this libram or not. after its just a matter of what comes up first, because you WILL NOT be able to keep up that exact rotation. If you have this libram just hit CS whenever its cd is up and judge isn't available. Ideally you'd have it up for every judgement, ds, and conse after.

Комментарий от 35804

With Arena season 6 announcements & changes, this Libram will require a 1250+ rating.
Source

Комментарий от 348262

Math geeks- anyone want to break down whether this libram or Libram of Radiance is the better choice for overall PvE DPS and why? Assume the 4-piece bonus with jgRnt's suggested rotation (above).

Комментарий от 367100

1.) Crusader Strike
2.) Hammer of Wrath (at 20%)
3.) Judgement (glyphed)
4.) Divine Storm
5.) Consecration (glyphed)
6.) Exorcism (glyphed)

Simple as that.

Комментарий от Fugazi

6400 honor points, 350 arena points, 1250 personal rating
Quite easy to get and most likely better than Naxx and Ulduar sigils.

Комментарий от Imperial

most likely better than Naxx and Ulduar sigils.

We're Retadins

Комментарий от rebsten

This is insanley easy to get and the second BiS Libram out there.

If you can't hit 1250, you don't deserve this anyway. You really can't even lose rating in a serious way until after 1500.

Комментарий от Sinverse

Patch 3.2

Crusader Strike: Damage reduced to 75% weapon damage to match the new 4 second cooldown.

Комментарий от frmorrison

In 3.2, this item itself says "Requires personal and team arena rating of 700" which leads me to believe that you have to barely play arena to get it.
As of 3.2.2, this item can be purchased for just honor.

Otherwise you can get the new SoV libram (worth about 180 strength over time) for 25 badges of triumph.

Комментарий от toastmaster7727

The proc chance seems to be around 80%, so this gives you a constant +120 AP while your DPSing.

Комментарий от Saenjaina

As of patch 3.3 the Furious version of this item can be bought from the same vendor for 12.000 honor. It has 144 attack power buff instead.

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