Whenever i see this item, dinosaurs like this one come to mind : https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=35041

Items like these basically express Blizzard inability to understand the paladin class.

Not only that the new changes to Ret paladin abilities and DPS cycles have moved haste to the bottom of the stat importance list, and possibly making it the least wanted stat, but someone looking at T7 ret itemisation would imediately notice an abundance of haste wich limits the usefulness of this libram even more.

Hopefully in the upcoming patches it will be reworked or buffed, until then there is far better gear that anyone could spend their badges on.

Комментарий от 185226

Seriously, don't waste the badges on this. https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=38362 is much better and requires 1/2 an hour effort at the most to get. Of course, once the arena season starts, https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=42851 is also a good option.

Комментарий от 137623

Nice haste, wrong spell choice.

Haste doesn't benefit Seal of Command too much and we don't use SoC for PvE but PvP. So, in many ways this libram is flawed and quite pointless to own one.

Комментарий от 48028

This libram fails. You should be using Seal of Blood for PvE.

Комментарий от Zacban

Any decent retribution Paladin will be sticking with his https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=33503 late into the current Raid environment of WOTLK. The current librams available to Paladins today are really only there to give the people leveling from scratch something to put into that slot

Комментарий от 90735

As of the latest build on the PTR for 3.0.8, this Libram now grants 173 critical strike rating instead of haste.

Комментарий от frmorrison

On the latest PTR, this libram is changed to give Crit Rating instead of Haste Rating. It still only works with SoC.

Комментарий от 237827

so comparing this to libram of divine judgment (https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=33503) i can honestly say that even after the change this wont be all that good.

173 crit ratting is about 3.748% crit. according to wowhead (and i hope it is wrong) this libram only procs 15% of the times you judge command.
well, libram of divine judgement procs 40% of the times you judge command (also according to wowhead) and gives 200ap for 10secs.

3.748% crit VS 200ap ALSO 15% proc chance VS 40% proc chance.
i hope im wrong, but this libram still looks a bit weak comparing with its previous heroic badges version..

Комментарий от 707

Bleh, SoC...

Комментарий от Parsifal

This is about the most useless libram on which you can waste your emblems. Even with the upcoming change, which causes the proc to give critical strike rating instead of haste, its possible use is restricted to soloing and pvp. No one uses Seal of Command to dps these days. If you have emblems to spare, its greatest value is in getting the "Superior" achievement before disposing of that piece of crap.

So far simply the best WOTLK libram I've seen is Libram of Furious Blows, a quest reward from a ridiculously easy escort quest in Borean Tundra. 100% reliable, increases crit rating on every Judgement. Maybe some heroic raids have better ones, I think I may have seen one - or then I just remember wrong.

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=37574

Комментарий от Uvania

I know one thing this libram is good for , disenchant it and sell the abyss crystal!

Комментарий от 42591

whoever made the new paladin mechanics is a genious

whoever itemized most of the paladin gear is a complete idiot and should get fired...

Комментарий от 181573

I like this trink because I like to use SoC for solo PvE, cause I can just burn small mobs in like 3 seconds PvP style. Considering its only 15 badges though, you can always pick one up to test your dps on a dummy.

Комментарий от Theolol

drojann, no need to bash further with the "green quest reward" rhetoric, if you've only read the comment above by Ronark (or discovered it yourself):

The Venture Co. Libram of Retribution would arguably be a bit better than the Libram of Furious Blows. It is a 61 Crit Rating with a 62.5% uptime verses a 73 Crit Rating with an 80% uptime. Also, you can Judge AFTER you use divine storm as well.

Lets keep criticism up on valid points.

Комментарий от 324197

Even if you were stubborn and refused to use anything but Seal of Command for PvE (which isn't bad, just not ideal), I'm convinced that the old Lv 70 Libram of Divine Judgment, which increases attack power by 200 for 10 seconds (with a 50% procrate on successful judgement of command) is a much better libram. 170 crit rate (about 3.5% crit) for 10 seconds, with a 15% procrate, is pretty awful compared to +200 AP for 10 seconds, theoretically sustainable.

Комментарий от Merphos

Eventhough my math skills aren't that good...If I counted properly, this libram should be only worth about 0.087% crit (considering the 15% proc chance and the fact most retadins got improved judgement, so 8 sec CD on judgement) and the venture co libram is worth 0.159% crit. Someone else feel free to do their own math if it seems there's something wrong with mine.

Комментарий от 206167

The general argument is that using SoC in PvE (ie raids, dungeons etc) is useless and letting your group down - something I agree with, I always use martyr in groups.
But, what about when soloing? Say, for doing dailes or just questing it up/farming etc? I find it difficult to decide between SoM and SoC when going solo, because while SoM gives the higher damage output, it's also a bit of a mana drain since you have to heal yourself up more regularly. With SoC, you get only the occasional high damage burst, but don't have to waste mana healing yourself because of self-damaging spells.

So, when you don't have a healer to top you up like you would in a raid, would it be better to be using SoC? If that's the case, this could be a decent libram to use while doing the daily grind solo etc.

I'd never use it in a raid though.

Комментарий от fredo619

So which libram should a Ret Pally be using? Excuse my noobness btw.

Best,
Fredo

Комментарий от noureless

Well try to get https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=40191 xD
but i agree with many peoples , blizz sucks with librams for ret pally >_<

Комментарий от Synectics

I agree -- I use SoC while soloing and daily grinding, mainly because at 80 in decent-to-good gear, most 80 NPCs don't last more than my first rotation (Judge, Crusader, Divine Storm, Exo, Hammer if they're still standing). Some might see constant Exo's and Hammers as a mana drain, but that's what Divine Plea is for -- pop it like candy.

This is definitely an awful libram, one I won't get even for just soloing. I honestly use https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=37574 for everything at the moment. Sure, it's not much, but it's better to have a constant 61 Crit at all times than a 173 that procs only 15% of the time. >_>

Комментарий от Chompz

With the changes to SoC in the new upcoming patch, this libram can be very viable in a raiding situation.

Комментарий от 124708

Haha, i find this abit funny.
On maxdps.com they says that https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=33503 gives way more better dps than all lvls 80 librams. I was omw to buying this item and I just went there to check if it was a good deal for me to buy it, but there it stands that the old one from lvl 70 still are better. So this is probably true, and I don`t wanna waste 15marks for this libram when my old one is better... xP

Комментарий от 243202

3.2.2 is here... and this libram is suddenly useful!

Since SoC overtakes SoR on trash now (generally), having this in your bags and macro'ing your Seals to equip the appropriate libram to make swapping over smoother will give a nice DPS boost on trash and add-heavy encounters.

Комментарий от Heian

Well this seems to have a terribly low chance to proc when I tried it out. Barely two out of over 20 attempts - not a large sample, but enough to let me know that it wasn't worth it. SoC favors a high crit%, but this libram may as well be an empty slot for most of the time, it's not reliable like the Gladiator's Libram.

At first glance you think "oh, this could be just what I need for SoC to work!" But, it's not worth it, the proc is low %, short, and not as consistent as it needs to be.

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