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Comment by Thuya

DMC:Greatness 2.0! :D

And based on the PH spell comments for the effect, comes from 25 colliseum normal mode.

Comment by Chariot

The full set:

Death's Bargain
Death's Bite
Death's Sting
Death's Clutch
Death's Embrace
Death's Head Vestment
Death's Embrace

Comment by 409528

this is indeed a very powerful trinket that will probably be BiS for many classes including hunter , warr , pally , dk , rogues, and druids. maybe a shaman can get away with this but its something that will surely be on my wishlist.

Comment by neomasterc

seems like blizz doesnt wanna make something like DMCG that gives a certain stat, as it would far exceed its performance in its ilvl.
plus more classes can benefit from this. = more ppl rolling! XD

Comment by xstaindx

Horde:
Death's Choice

Alliance:
Death's Verdict

Instance: Crusader's Coliseum
Encounter: Twin Valkyrs
Difficulty: 25-Man
Hard Mode Loot: No
Item Level: 245

Comment by 362830

I reckon the next upgrade for this would have a buff named " Awesomeness "

Comment by Akkron

Though this stacks with Greatness, what I'm wondering is if the Normal and Heroic Version's proc are separate as well.

544 passive AP on trinkets with a 450 and 510 Strength Proc? We can only hope :-D

Comment by 42532

dont forget your

Comment by suffer

Does anyone know what the uptime/cooldowns are on this? I just got it last night and I logged 30.1% uptime during Lord Jaraxxus during our 10 man right after.

With a 15 sec buff, that would seem to be to put the internal CD around 45 seconds.

Comment by UndeadFire

Just dropped for us on Twin Valkyr, went to our feral druid

Comment by 101660

45 second ICD, 35% chance on hit outside ICD to proc, 15s buff duration.

These are all exactly equal to the DMC: Greatness, so it will have the same theoretical uptime of about 32%. For a fury warrior, this gives it a total SEP of 256*.37879 + 450*.32 = 240.97, compared to Greatness's SEP of 90 + 300*.32 = 186. Amazing trinket, 258 version is even better of course.

Comment by darknesscalls

Our DK won this last night, confirmed that it has a 45 second internal cooldown and a 15 second duration, just like Darkmoon Card: Greatness. The procs from these two trinkets are also entirely seperate and share no cooldowns whatsoever, and this one procs just as frequently as the Darkmoon Card does when outside of the internal cooldown

Comment by Ihmemies

This might be interesting if it does not share cooldown with heroic version and you are able to stack both...

Comment by Dotdotgooose

par·a·gon (pr-gn, -gn)
n.
1. A model of excellence or perfection of a kind

Comment by 423913

A paragon is an ideal: a model of excellence or perfection of a kind; one having no equal; a perfect embodiment of a concept. In modern fantasy, it is typically a synonym of paladin or templar; a holy defender of justice and of divine nature.

Explains quite a bit about blizzards intentions with this item to start with.

Comment by 363245

It is confirmed that it can stack with the heroic version of itself.

Screenshot and armory link for proof.

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9683/dualproc.jpg
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Jaedenar&n=Trokz

Comment by Ninja1

This can be stacked with
Death's Choice

But, this is confirmed by Blue post , that it´s not intended to stack and will be fixed very soon. Writing atm, patch 3.2.2. This should be Stealth fixed.

Comment by BkMonger

even if they dont stack the buff, almost 550 AP from 2 trinks is insane

Comment by 291208

I would post a comment, but I'm scared it might get downrated.

Comment by Ninja1

Lol , i really dont know why some retards down rate some usefull information.

'peer pressure''
They just follow the rest without even understand it

Comment by SirRaven

Aside from the rather useless comments, does anyone have a photo of the proc animation and is able to upload the picture on Wowhead? As it seems that this trinket still evades my rolls, I'm rather curious about the proc animation. :) Especially since DMC:G proc sound was a pidgeon's cooing. :)

Comment by 366438

I don't know. I guess it would depend on how many already had it in the raid. I would not understand it going to a drood tank if there are dps people that have 100% attd. and do 7-8k dps for the raid. theres a big difference between BiS and 3rd BiS. I am guessing that druid would have been %^&*ed if his BiS dropped and it went to a dps as 3rd BiS.

Comment by 450260

The radiance effect doesn't make stacking agility or dodge any worse. The fact that there will be more damage from bosses thats dodgeable, and that the attacks hit more often just makes stacking agility & dodge even better. Big hits means spiky damage, and dodge just makes there be less spikes. Small hits means smoother damage, and dodge makes the smooth be less damaging.

The radiance buff is 20% less chance to dodge - but druid tanks will be WELL above 20% dodge chance, so dodge is still good for them. Having a proc send you from 40% dodge to 50% dodge isn't WAY better than going from 20% dodge to 30% dodge. And since there's more damage that can be dodged, that will actually make dodge & agility even more important next patch, not less important.

Try playing a druid tank (or even just healing one) before you claim to know what is or isn't good for them.

And don't downrate my comment just because your selfish dps doesn't want his guild's tanks to get gear that they need.

edit: And tanks contribute very much in dps races. A tank gaining 500 dps from a trinket is about as useful as a dps gaining 500 dps from a trinket. In some ways, it's more useful because it helps them hold threat even better. The downside is that the tanks have their assigned roles on who to tank & can't switch to the target that needs to be dps'd down. So this is really more of a trinket for an OT than a MT (because OTs tend to be on the target that needs to be dps'd down, whereas the MT stays on one target the whole fight), but any half decent tank knows that anyways since its the MTs who stack Stamina and the OTs who need to boost their threat & avoidance (and for druids, dps = threat). Onyxia is especially clear as a fight where high dps tanks shine. Higher dps tanks means you can leave more ranged on Onyxia (ideally having a ranged heavy group with the tanks & a tiny amount of melee handling the adds with all ranged on Onyxia), making it easier to get the More Dots achievement.

Comment by 485143

And this is why "Chill of the Throne" is being used in Icecrown Citadel.

From Daelo:

For Icecrown Citadel, we are implementing a spell that will affect every enemy creature in the raid. The spell, called Chill of the Throne, will allow creatures to ignore 20% of the dodge chance of their melee targets. So if a raid's main tank had 30% dodge normally, in Icecrown Citadel they will effectively have 10%.

Why are we doing this?

The high levels of tank avoidance players have obtained is making the incoming damage a tank DOES take more "spiky" than is healthy for raiding. Ideally, tanks would be receiving a relatively constant stream of damage over time. This allows healers to better plan their healing strategy, broaden their spell options, and simply give more time to react. Tanks could use their cooldowns more reactively. Instead, the current situation is that if we make a hard hitting melee boss and a tank doesn't avoid two successive swings then the tank could very well be dead in that 1-2 second window. The use of reactive defensive abilities instead becomes a methodically planned affair, healers have to spam their largest heals just in case the huge damage spike happens.

We've been trying to do a fair amount to mitigate the effect of high tank avoidance on the encounter side of things during this expansion with faster melee swings, additional melee strikes, dual wielding, narrowing the normal variance of melee swing damage, and various other tricks. There's a limit to what we can do, however. So to give us a bit of breathing room we've implemented Chill of the Throne. Going forward past Icecrown Citadel, we have plans to keep tank avoidance from growing so high again.

We'll have this on the PTR soon so players can see the effects inside Icecrown Raid.

Ghostcrawler has also chimed in:

Our original estimations for tank avoidance would have worked fine had we not decided to add extra tiers of gear to reward heroic boss kills halfway through the expansion.

The Cataclysm design will keep tank avoidance at more manageable levels. The loss of defense skill counts for a lot right there. We are also considering giving bosses expertise or other ways of baking in Icewell Radiance -- basically the concept that bosses scale with gear rather than just hitting harder and taking more hits.

Additional relevant statement from Ghostcrawler yesterday:

What I would like to see in Cataclysm is higher health pools but also lower heals (and tank avoidance) overall. Hopefully everyone won't be on the verge of almost dying, yet the risk of overhealing will be more real such that you can't just madly spam all of the time if you want to make it to the end of the encounter.

Comment by 516079

rofl, i am surprised no one has posted at least something about the OPness of this trinket.

Comment by borian

Here is some information about the Trinket that I collected with procodile

ICD (internal cooldown): 44 sec
Uptime: 27,38%
PPM: 1.20

a very good addition to that item is the Whispering Fanged Skull

Comment by 554522

What is the uptime on this?
ICD of 45 seconds, so...

15 seconds of proc and ICD
30 seconds of ICD
15 seconds of proc and ICD
30 seconds of ICD?

So 45 seconds out of two minutes?

Comment by 140351

Trying to get this for a while now as it is a logical upgrade to greatness strength card.

Only saw it drop a few times and have lost on legitimate rolls.

But the other night was precious- a priest rolled on it and won.

Comment by 453115

TOP10 TRINKETS
<Fury Warrior>

BiS: Deathbringer's Will (H)
02: Deathbringer's Will
03: Whispering Fanged Skull (H)
04: Death's Verdict (H) / Death's Choice (H)
05: Whispering Fanged Skull
06: Herkuml War Token
07: Death's Verdict / Death's Choice*
08: Comet's Trail
09: Banner of Victory
10: Darkmoon Card: Greatness

NOTE! Every character has its own personal stats and that is why you can't look at this list as it would be always in this specific order.

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Death's Choice

	Phase 3

Item Level 245
Binds when picked up
Unique

Trinket

Requires Level 80
Equip: Increases attack power by 256.
Equip: When you deal damage you have a chance to gain Paragon, increasing your Strength or Agility by 450 for 15 sec. Your highest stat is always chosen. (Proc chance: 35%, 45s cooldown)

Sell Price: 11 39 40

Dropped by: Fjola Lightbane

Drop Chance: 1.04%

This item will be converted to Death's Verdict if you transfer to Alliance.

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