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Comment by Rezzo

Perhaps its geared towards combat / sub rogues for pve and/or pvp, since all rogue specs in WoTLK seem to rely more heavily on daggers than previously.

Comment by 98879

Seems right up the ally of a Death Knight tank. Fast offhand weapon with +hit and haste rating for some consistent threat generation, just the right mitigation stats for a DK tank (Defense rating wastes points on block value, DK's only dodge and parry). The DK has many other slots to stack stamina in, and instant attacks are derived from the main hand weapon, so they can find a slower, higher damage weapon for that.

Comment by 4299

This is a great avoidance offhand. Only thing that would be nice is the haste becoming agility.

Comment by sinaraine

DW this and you get your rogue tank.

Comment by Raithon

Seems like a rogue tank weapon...How strange. It isn't unique, so duel wielding this would give some serious stats.

Comment by Aejis

Maybe a dual wielding death-knight (who has already enough stamina) kind of tanking off hand?

Comment by 114372

Definitely suffers from sub-par itemization.

Wasted ratings that a rogue has little use of unless PvPing, no stamina makes it poor there. haste/hit would make it Ok for a hunter but without stats, they won't touch it. It's got ratings that any warrior could make use of, and the speed is great for a rage dump/generation.. but it's a dagger.

For a BoE epic, it fits the nice perfectly I guess. "Ok for everyone, but not as good as things you work for".

Comment by 251181

Well its a dagger and so what ? it funny how a word on an item can cause so much frustration really!, if it had the name "Sword" all would go crazy and say its a tank wep, is it a dagger then its a rogue, its just a name! if they removed all names from the item, then wow would be a hell more fun, etc a tank with shild and one-handed staff with imba stats! serious, dagger or not, that pawns rocks for avoidance tanking! it dosen't mean that small not makes big agro, i bet that one will make more agro than than what many are going for at the moment, the heroic sword! :) simply it's a named item, call it a dagger, in my eyes its a sword! Statswise :)

and as said in previous post, if u got the stats u need, this is a nice wep for a prot pally or warrior for avoidance fights, pop this baby down to 1k and ill bye one!

Even ask yourself, would u rather wipe on a boss cause to little avoidance or survive with a tank with this equipped ^^ i think u deep inside knows the answer :p

Comment by 42765

sold one on my server for 800g imo not worth more than 300 ....

Comment by 265635

Who should use this weapon? OH for a combat rogue.

Speed is pretty good. Dodge comes in handy in PvP. Same with the parry increasing your chance to pop Riposte. Hit and haste for, well, landing your DPS more quickly. Which leads to better energy regen, more poison procs, etc.

Sure, its not the best dagger in the game, but it definitely isn't the worst.

Comment by 167905

The dagger has great evasion stats with the dodge and parry ratings. making it nice for bosses with slow and hard attacks(Hateful strike - Patchwerk). But Evasion still is great for all bosses whether they attack fast or slow.

If you are already above the DEF Cap for Crit immunity then the evasion picked up from this Dagger is better in my opinion than the stamina lost from say Red Sword of Courage or Slayer of the Lifeless

Lastly the fast speed of the dagger make it awesome for spamming Heroic Strike Improved Heroic Strike
and the associated synergies of incite & Glyph of Heroic Strike

Comment by 74335

This thing vendors for 20g - but i think you'd be conning the vendor.

Comment by frankster

For a prot warrior, is the haste and the slightly faster autoattack speed worth the tradeoff of lower devastates?

Comment by 153908

Tanks usually are equipped with axes or swords. This is not a tanking weapon, but for those runs where u have more than 1 tank and need only 1 you can dual wield this one. If it drops and no one else can use it, instead of D.e.ing it just grabb it

Comment by 203649

I'd think that if anyone DE-ed this they'd lose a lot of profit. xD

Comment by Corbon

Replace the dodge and parry rating with stamina and agility and you'd have a halfway decent off-hand.

In its current form, it's a joke item.

Comment by 78028

At 540 defense getting an extra 10 defense gives the exact same values to your block/dodge/parry/miss as adding 10 defense to a base of 400

I dare you to try it. Go naked and add an item with defense. Take a pen and paper and note down how much dodge/parry/block you get. Equip your tank gear without the item you equipped while naked and leave that slot empty. Write down your parry/dodge/block and equip the item you left out.

Now you are wondering why only your block rating increased as much as when you were naked, and other stats increased less. Thats because dodge, parry and chance to be missed from defense are diminishing where block rating is not. What this means is, the more you stack one stat, the less effective the net gain is.

There is huge difference between 400 + 10 defense and 540 + 10 defense.

EDIT:

remember clean stats gives way more than the defence after the cap.

Alas, this is also wrong. Clean stats are also on diminishing returns, and they do not give anything more than defense does. Defense balances your stat diminishes evenly among three stats, thus minimizing the diminishes on every stat. Also in an enviroment where diminishing returns do not exist, your statement is false. Defense is as effective in pure migitation as clean stats both post and pre 540.

Comment by 78028

While diminishing in pure values, extra defense is not LESS effective. It functions just like armor now.

Not true. Where diminish in armor is linear, in evasion stats it is harsher than that.

Say for example that you take 100% damage with zero defense. You add 10, and now you're taking 90% damage. You are taking 90% of the damage you were taking before. Now you add another 10, and you're taking 81% damage. 100-90 = 10, 90-81 = 9... WTF! Negatory. 90/100 = 90%, 81/90 = 90%.

The math behind the change is way more complex than just a change from additive to multiplicative. Is this would be the case, the diminishing returns would be linear, however this is not how it works.

Granted, this isn't PERFECT, because blocking is not on a diminishing returns scale, however, extra defense above the crit cap is not less effective than the same value of defense before the cap.

Aside from block, the earlier poster was talking about raw numerical values and I commented on raw values. 400 + 10 is way different from 540 + 10 in raw numbers.

Comment by remotettl

dropped off trash mob, ghoul elite in CoT: stratholme.

on out realm they goes for 400-1000g. not much.
realm - magtheridon

Comment by 228315

Defense balances your stat diminishes evenly among three stats

However, getting 10 points of parry, 10 points of dodge and 10 points of block gives more total mitigation than 30 points of def assuming they both start at the same level.

Also, parry starts at a much lower amount of parry % per point than say dodge, so you can stack up a bit of dodge before they even even out. So saying stacking def beats getting other stats is just faulty.

Comment by 131549

Actually, you can make this dagger work even if the stats seem a bit "strange." I use it as an offhand weapon for instances (until I get something better).

Had this given to me by a guildmate. Enchanted with Accuracy (+25 crit, +25 hit), then I food buff with Spiced Wyrm Burger (or you can use something similar).

I still keep my Librarian's Paper Cutter, enchanted with Accuracy with me, and prefer it for PvE.

Comment by 109165

If your a Close Quarter Combat Rogue speced into https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=51677 and https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/spell=14251 maybe be ok.

Comment by Eliassa

Named after Namlak, a rogue who tanked Illidan back in BC with a 102.63% avoidance rate (From EU Servers)

Probably just a tribute to him hence the weird itemization.

Comment by Thunderstruck05

Actually worth using I guess now...still kind of crappy though.

Comment by 355011

I created an account purely to comment on this one item after seeing it not address. A pity some of wow's gems arent noticed. The "supernumary" is a reference to numerology and specifically the belief in all bad things involving the number 23
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/23_(numerology).

Likewise, 32 is also important because it is the inverse. Just in a few minutes I came up with a ton in this weapon and I am sure theres more.

All stats are 32 (inverse of 23)
weapon speed 1.50... 1 + 5 = 6, 2 x 3 = 6 (23) <---- always works with 6
feral bonus: 1239 (23) 1 + 2 + 3 + 9 = 15 .. 1+5 =6 (see above)
dmg 150-280 sum is 16, 6 x 1 (see above), also 16 is half of 32

Also there is the unluckiness of 13
DPS digits add up to 13
Durability adds up to 13

Rate this down if you like but that is the reason for the stats, I am sure if you try you can find many more.

Comment by 276032

Anyone know how this is obtained, does a rogue have to pick pocket it or is it a farmable item thru hours of destroying?

THIS JUST IN:
Epic daggers from pickpocket!
UP NEXT:
Random chance to summon Ragnaros on using "Intercept!"

Srsly, wtf was he thinking.

edit:

Just read the comment:

created an account purely to comment on this one item after seeing it not address. A pity some of wow's gems arent noticed. The "supernumary" is a reference to numerology and specifically the belief in all bad things involving the number 23
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/23_(numerology).

Likewise, 32 is also important because it is the inverse. Just in a few minutes I came up with a ton in this weapon and I am sure theres more.

All stats are 32 (inverse of 23)
weapon speed 1.50... 1 + 5 = 6, 2 x 3 = 6 (23) <---- always works with 6
feral bonus: 1239 (23) 1 + 2 + 3 + 9 = 15 .. 1+5 =6 (see above)
dmg 150-280 sum is 16, 6 x 1 (see above), also 16 is half of 32

Also there is the unluckiness of 13
DPS digits add up to 13
Durability adds up to 13

Rate this down if you like but that is the reason for the stats, I am sure if you try you can find many more.

the only thing you got right is the "32 is the inverse of 23"
dps digits add to 11
dur adds to 12

This kind of thing really bugs me, "Look, if I take these numbers and throw in a bunch of obscure math, add, subtract, multiply, divide, and then square root them, throw in Pi, I get a number a bunch of crazies consider unlucky!"

Quick! Do it with "1" 1+1=2 2x2=4 4-1-2+4/3+1+2x2=6! OMG 6! 6x2+1=13!@#$!

Comment by hawke

As stated by zeda, you're looking for something, you find it.... though, maybe you did too much ?

DPS digits add up to 13
Durability adds up to 13

DPS is 143.3 ... 1+4+3+3 = 11 ...
Durability is 75 ... 7 + 5 = 12 ...

I fail to see where it reach 13 but that's just me. And where all your extra 6 come from anyway ? (Like your weapon speed... where the 2x3 come from anyway ? It doesn't make any sense).

Comment by ahostbr

dam these are currently at 936g on my server ...

but seems well worth for us hunters and are new AoV

Comment by dark0ne10

I saw a fury warrior with this yesterday. Just seemed kinda odd to me since usually fury warriors are after huge 2hs. I don't know much about them, but it seemed to me like this is the sort of weapon they wouldn't want to use.

Comment by herodicer

Has anyone actually sold this item? I got it yesterday in HoS and have put it out for a rather daring price (1900g) on the Auction House. I know prices variate from server to server, but i'll post how much i will get it sold for incase someone is intrested of knowing.

Comment by 446695

You guys are gonna love hearing that I am currently running around with 2 of these. As a shaman :3

Boing!

I have actually been looking at this for an Enh Shaman weapon, but I'm horrible at picking out these things TBH. How'd it work out for you? Is this a good pair to dual wield?

Comment by 108760

Just thought id add something

The damage on this is the same as Omen of Ruin from 10man Naxx trash

If you need a offhand until Webbed Death or Muder, this is a great choice, and you dont have to pray for a drop in Naxx 10.

Comment by 491486

Just bought from AH for 600g for my rogue, not bad.

Comment by Allakhazam

Bought this sexy thong for 100g today....ROFL! SO HAPPY!

Comment by Allakhazam

Dropped from stormforged pursuer doing a quest in stormpeaks

Comment by Allakhazam

Oh this dagger is awesome! I'll pay 2000g for it if anyone on Icecrown-US server has this! Send Gorotsuki a tell or mail please! TY!

Comment by Allakhazam

Got from Anub'arak in Heroic AN

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	Phase 1

Item Level 200
Binds when equipped

One-Hand	Dagger

150 - 280 Damage	Speed 1.50

(143.33 damage per second)
Durability 75 / 75

Requires Level 80
Increases attack power by 1239 in Cat, Bear, Dire Bear, and Moonkin forms only.
Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 32.
Equip: Improves hit rating by 32.
Equip: Improves haste rating by 32.
Equip: Increases your armor penetration by 32.

Sell Price: 20 4 99

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