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Kommentar von crazybelgium

Appears to require at least 350 alchemy, due to the transmute requiring that level to learn.

Kommentar von 6571

Anyone know what the required level is? Can I just run my level 60 alchemist alt to the quest npc to get the specialization?

Kommentar von 13108

Having this mastery does what, exactly?

Kommentar von lichee

Antonovich at Thrallmar (Horde) has all 3 specialization quests.

Kommentar von Altos

All you have to do is get to 350 alchemy, then buy the recipe off one of the vendors in Shatrath for 8g (Primal essence to Primal Might) and just transmute them yourself.

Kommentar von 15938

Anyone have some info on the proc rate of this?

Kommentar von toader

It should be noted, that you do indeed have to be level 68 before obtaining any of the Alchemy Specializations.

Kommentar von 15791

It seems that it is different between primal mights and the diamonds. I have done at least 10 transmutes of primal mights and have gotten 2 out of the 10 times to give 2 primal mights the rest were one. I have done 3 diamond transmutes and have gotten 2 diamonds on 2 of them..

Kommentar von indyboy362

Is it possible to drop transmutation mastery and get something else?

Kommentar von 25470

My very first transmutation after becoming Master gave me a 2x result. I got 2 Skyfire Diamonds. I gave one to a guily and sold the other.

Still waiting for the cooldown to do a second one, and maybe I'm just lucky... but I think Master of Transmutation was a good pick.

Kommentar von 25080

Guildmate said He not 2, not 3, not 4, but 5 primal might from one transmute. Dunno if he was screwing around, but anyone else got more them 2?

Kommentar von 25781

I got 5 primal might from one transmute.
its true
but its very low proc

Kommentar von 749

While being a master transmuter you can get up to 5 of that item you wanted.

Kommentar von 24266

Will old transmutations proc too? I mean arcanite transm. or just essences...

Kommentar von verloren777

It was said that you need 350 alchemy to be able to get this quest. However, I got this quest when I was lvl70 with only 326 alchemy. My guess is that the required level of alchemy is 325. I got the quest from the alchemy trainer in Thrallmar ( https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/npc=16588#00z )

Kommentar von Swordy

14 uses and np procs, 2 others on my server had similar results. pick up elixirs instead =/

Kommentar von 30101

6 transmutes 3 times with x 2 so far

Kommentar von Doominator

Can someone give me the proc rate of this or is it still a mastery...

Kommentar von 30211

what lvl do i need for this? i am thinking of getting my 60 alt hunter to transmute master so i can transmute stuff for myself

Kommentar von Beaker

here's my log so far:
3x,1x,1x,1x,1x,1x,1x,1x,1x,1x,1x,1x

yes, that's 11 days in a row of non-doubles
QQ

Kommentar von 41057

I would not reccomend this to anyone except the extremely rich or the extremely desperate. I have crafted 19 primal mights, 3 skyfire diamonds, and 1 earthstorm diamond after having achieved this specialization and I have had no procs and no discoveries. I have met one person from my server who bought his epic flying mount off of money made with this transmutation, claiming he almost always procced at least one additional primal/diamond; it seems to be very random. unless you are blessed with riddiculously good luck, go for potions or elixir spec. Elixir specs on my server make huge bank selling excess flasks and elixirs to raiding guilds

Kommentar von 22103

Does this proc on other transmutes, such as Primal Earth -> Primal Water?

Kommentar von 25980

In the upcoming patch, you can unlearn it in Stormspire.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/Gizamaluke/WoWScrnShot_043007_080433.png

Kommentar von Beaker

x3,x1,x1,x1,x1,x1,x1,x1,x1,x1,x1,x1,x1,x1,x2,x1,x1,x1,x2,x1,x1,x1,x1,x2,x1,x2,x1,x1,x1,x1,x1,x2,x1,x1,x2,x1,x1,x1,x2,x1,x1,x2,x1,x2,x1,x2
46 days
58 yield
126% yield

Kommentar von 17895

I just spoke with a GM about my complete lack of procs. Apparently there is some issue they are looking to correct.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r98/ectornz/transmutemastery.jpg

Kommentar von 48892

I'm beginning to regret speccing into this. On my server, selling all 5 primal elements will net you around 135g (~27g per primal element).. Primal Might sells for about 109g.

Unless I'm proccing with a yield greater than 123,85%, this spec isn't worth it to me. Sadly, so far after 16 transmutes, it hasn't procced even ONCE. :(
Previous comment by BaseVilliN makes me feel very very cheated. :S

Kommentar von Thrizie

Don't do this quest!

If you're really desperate to become a transmute master, do either elixir master or Potion master and then spend 150 gold to respec. You'll have to do a dungeon but you'll probably be doing them anyway for rep and loot, and in the end you'll save gold because 4x primal might is a rip.

Kommentar von Beaker

3,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,1,1,1,2,1,1,1,1,2,1,2,1,1,1,1,1,2,1,1,2,1,1,1,2,1,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,1,2,1,1,1,2,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,4,2,1,1,1,1,3,1

71 xmutes
94 yield
132% yield

Kommentar von Gutts

I have done 5 transmutes so far and this is the results:
1,1,1,1,5

I made 5x primal mights today..I guess i was so damn lucky :D

Kommentar von 58682

before 2.1 i bought primal earth in cheep in bulk (3g each) and using transmute earth>water>air>fire i made all my own mats for might (except mana but thats easy to farm). the payout is very good for the time spent on it. but since 2.1 MOT has not procced once and i have done it every day since the patch. Either its not working or the procc rate is now so low its not worth having anymore

Kommentar von 40584

I wouldn't recommend this for anyone who doesn't have a solid grasp on statistical theory, or patience. The lack of either will apparently cause you to begin complaining after a statistically insignificant sample of transmutes.

This spec is the gambler's spec. Sometimes, you'll win really, really hard. Most of the time, you won't. Know what you're getting into, and understand that doing 5 transmutes in a row without a proc does NOT mean that the rate is less than 20% overall.

Kommentar von 30084

Simply don't waste 4 primal mights to spec as master transmutation...
Since 2.1 it is now possible to unlearn a spec by simply talking to the quest giver and then respeccing by simply talking to the other quest giver for a total of 150g
So do as i have, spec in potions (the quest is really easy, craft 15 potions and kill the second boss in Botanica) and respec... you'll probably save about 200g worth of primals...

Kommentar von 29902

The most expensive quest regarding alchemy so far , the primal's cost 400g alone or 4 days worth of cooldowns and farming .

Kommentar von 19655

14 transmutes, 0 proc.

Kommentar von erratic

I have Master of transmutation from maybe 2 months now but only 1 proc x1. I transmute everyday but nothing. So what.???...I spent my account time farming for the quest and what??? NO procs .. what are they thinking in Blizz ...maybe I should require a free spec change to pot or elixir master :PPP IMPOSSIBLE
1 proc a week is fair enough but 1 proc in 2 months is a robbery. I understand that it wont be fair to other specs if we proc everyday like x5 but a few for a week is normal. Maybe its not a 20% chance but 20 day cd of proc :P
And a 100g for unlearn ????? WE must consider when choosing.....how?? How can I know ?

Kommentar von Beaker

3,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,1,1,1,2,1,1,1,1,2,1,2,1,1,1,1,1,2,1,1,2,1,1,1,2,1,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1,1,2,1,1,1,2,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,4,2,1,1,1,1,3,1,1,1,1,2,1,2,1,1,1,1,1,2,1,2,1,2,2,1,2,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,1,1,1,1
101 transmutes
132 yield
31% yield of extras

Kommentar von Zeneva

my was ...x5x5x5x5x5x5x1x2x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x3x2x1x1x5x5x1x1

Kommentar von 56707

i just picked up alchemy a few days ago and at 325 i got the quest for Mastery at Thrallmar. i chose Transmutation because like others have said, this profession and mastery requires some patience and knowledge of statistical theory. from reading above posts, look at the yield percentage for various people, they are roughly the same even though there's only a handful of people taking statistics of their transmute yields.
have some patience, and trust me, your guildies will thank you for being master of transmutation. you will offer a service to others that will be greatly appreciated. patience is a virtue and good things come to those who wait. lol

Kommentar von 29169

im doing like this! i do free transmute for ppl, but when it proceed i keep xtra1 and ofc sell it! some ppl expect to get that xtra1 when they bring mats, so i just wonder does other masters do that??!! why do they think it proceeded just because they bring mats and have rights to get more that 1?
i need to explain ppl over and over again that masters spend like 400+g to became masters and they want to make profit and not just make ppl happy by giveing it away!!??

Kommentar von 74021

What's the proper etiquette for a Transmutation master?
If I make a Might transmute for someone and get 5 Mights, I'd keep 4 and give 1 back, since that's what the person was looking for.
If someone asked me if I was a Transmutation Master, and offered a certain amount as an "ante" in case I happen to get any bonuses, then I would probably negotiate the ante and give the guy his bonuses if I got any.

For example, I think it would be interesting when selling a Might transmute to say something like "I'm a Transmutation Master, would you like to pay 40g to get any bonuses?". However, this would probably leave it open to abuse from people saying they're Transmutation Masters without actually being it and just claiming that they lost.

Kommentar von 68172

i got level 68 and went transmutation spec and did a PM xmute for somebody and didnt proc anything

i thought i would get 3 on the first time because the comments on this site but its only random

Kommentar von 11657

I suggest taking up Potion Mastery, then drop it for this one. It is the most cost efficient way to become a Transmute master. Super Healing and Mana Potions drop off nearly everyone mob out there in outland, so saving 5 of each should be no big deal. If you don't want to wait for them to drop, Dealer Sadaqat sells a limited supply of the two potions. The Ring of Blood questline yields 10 of each. So all you need to do is run Bot and pick up 5 Major Dreamless Potions (which go for at most 10g a stack on my server.). Total cost: 160g with respec.

Good luck with your procs

Kommentar von 34517

I've done 20-25 transmutes after I became a Master Transmuter, and so far I've had ONE 2x proc and that's it. It's a little frustrating, seing as you really have to be a AH whore to find the cheap materials and best times to sell. I've managed to sell most my mights for 30-40g over the normal AH prices by simply keeping them in my bank until there's a shortage of them up on AH, and then put them up for overprices. Was kinda hoping being a transmutation master would help earn me some money, but so far I'm down 3 primal mights and a lot of time.

Kommentar von 63535

After lending 2 mights to get Mastery, my first Primal might proc gave me x5.
I'm not one to boast but thats class :P. I know I'll hardly get a proc, but gaining mastery for technicaly nothing is fantastic. Good luck people!

Kommentar von antego

Considering the cooldown I think it's a good spec

Kommentar von 59417

I think that transmutation mastery would be more appealing if Blizzard gave some more perks besides a pretty slim chance of a multiple transmute. Some ideas:

1. Reduce the cooldown to, say, 12 hours for transmutation masters, while keeping it at 23-24 hours for alchemists with no mastery or a different mastery,

2. Increase the proc rate,

3. Keep the cooldown as is, but with transmutation mastery put the different transmutes on separate cooldowns. For example, with transmutation mastery I could transmute a primal might, earthstorm diamond and an arcanite bar all in one day,

4. Etc., <insert other transmutation mastery idea here> or

5. Some combination of these.

It seems to me that the real issue here is not so much the proc rate as is the fact that doing a single transmute leaves you unable to do ANY transmutes for pretty much a whole day. On the other hand, potion/elixir masters can make as many potions, elixirs or flasks as they want, whenever they want so long as they have the mats, which makes their procs seem to abound by comparison.

Personally, I think idea 1 and/or 3 would be the best solution(s) to make transmutation mastery more worthwhile.

Kommentar von 10128

The perfect specc if your guild already has a master Elixir maker and a master Potion maker.

Also the perfect specc if your main character is a Jewelcrafter and your alchemist is a reroll ^^

Kommentar von FaustasTheMad

I was Elixir Master, I unlearned that talent for 150g, then I came to Transmutation master, asked him to teach me and...I didnt do the quest, he just taught me that talent...without doing the quest :V

Kommentar von 92947

Ok guys i just turned to transmutation mastery from potions.

I'll try to post here every single transmutation so u guys can have your opinions.

Transmutes:

1st: 1 primal might. (no proc)

Kommentar von 40468

So let me get this straight, I make the potions for the potions mastery, unlearn it and just learn the master of transmutation without having to farm my days away for motes?

ARG!

I, too, think it's crap that this specialization has such a long cool down. What were they thinking?

Kommentar von Evilsithgirl

A friend of mine from work claims to have a 4 hour CD on his transmuting. Is this even possible? after lots of research i have been unable to find any evidence that this is even possible.

Kommentar von 106538

Okay, I began counting how much proccs I'd get under 2-3 months, but I really did not do them every single day, since it takes time, so I ended up wasting the CD with others' mats instead.

I made, I think, over 30 Transmutes. What did I get?
0 Proccs.
1 Learned "Spell"

1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1
HMM?
20% my ass.

Keep in mind. I made all transmutes possible, or those who gives you a little bit money.
Skyfire Diamond
Earthstorm Diamond
Primal Might

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gg Transmution Master

Kommentar von 103927

You can easily earn your money back as a Master XMuter:

Depending on your server, some primals will be dirt cheap compared to others - usually the cheapest is primal earth - you will want to get the recipe from Sporeggar (Revered rep) xmute earth to water. On Mug'Thol - Earth primals sell for 4g - while Water Primals sell for 20g. So, you can easily make 16g a day. And if you get a proc - then you get 20g bonus.

I have found that making potions is not a way to riches, people dont seem to realize that you can often sell the mats for more than what you will make by selling the potions. Do the math sometime - you will be surprised to see people out there unloading potions for far less than what it costs to make (vial cost, materials cost, auction cost, time spent herbing).

Kommentar von 91080

when the new patch 2.3 relesed i havent take more than one items although i transuming every day ...
propably something is changed ...??!!
are anyone have take better results after new patch?

Kommentar von 2224

As of 2.3, this is BROKEN, to be fixed in a "future" patch.

See http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3547795433&sid=1&pageNo=1#2

"As of the 2.3 content patch, there's currently an issue with Transmutation Mastery by which the percentage chance to receive additional results from transmutations — aside from Transmute: Primal Might — is lower than the intended value. This is likely contributing to the dearth of procs you've observed, and I'd like to offer my apologies for any consternation that has arisen as a result of the discrepancy. I'm happy to report that this matter should be resolved in a future patch, but your continued patience in the interim is appreciated. :)"

Kommentar von 114745

If you want to drop the master of transmutation you dont have to unlearn the whole alchemy.
Talk to Zarevhi at The Stormpike in Neatherstorm. Its cost 150 g.

Kommentar von 77905

been transmute spec for over 2 months, 0 procs
i've been doing all earthstorm diamond transmutes so i'd make money anyway, but having no procs leads me to believe that it won't proc off it... >.>

Kommentar von Kargha

WarlordWombat534

After patch 2.3 the Transmutation proc was bugged, making only the Primal Might proc as it's supposed to.

According to wow wiki, this was fixed in 2.3.2 so now they should have "normal" proc rate.

Kommentar von Greenosed

I got this 6 days ago, past 6 Xmutes, procd 3 times, about 50% so far... Every Proc was only double. No x5 luck like the other poster, I didn't even know it could happen... Looking forward to my 5 primal might proc. :P

Kommentar von diskenth

Completion
Excellent work, <name>! These transmutations are perfect in every way!

I will now teach you the manner in which the alchemical transmutation process can conjure matter out of thin air! Make good use of your knowledge, master transmuter.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go see a buyer interested in primal might.

ROFL!!

Kommentar von 147868

clearly blizzard got alchemy wrong in wow but it's wow o well but the profession is fun aswell to mkae potions elixers etc..

Kommentar von Cargoship

If you do choose to do this quest by farming the primals here are so good places to farm the motes:

Primal Mana -
The Phase Worms in Blade's Edge Mountains have a great drop rate for Mote of Mana. To see them you will need to pick up the quest "Maintaining the Sunwell Portal" and get the "Bash'ir Phasing Device" in order to see the phase worms.

Primal Fire -
There are two good spots to farm these. One is killing the "Incandescent Fel Spark's" at the "Throne of Kil'Jaeden" in Hellfire Peninsula and another is just east of the "Throne of the Elements" in Nagrand by killing "Raging Fire-Soul" (this spot will require a flying mount to reach).

Primal Air -
Same as for fire, just go east of "Throne of the Elements" but instead kill "Storming Wind-Ripper"

Primal Water -
There is an excellent spot north east outside of Shattrath called "Silmyr Lake". If you can bring a underwater breathing potion with you to speed things up. It nice because the Shimmerscale Eel's are only level 62-63 and only have about 3,200 HP.

Primal Earth -
If you are a miner getting Motes of Earth should be no problem as they drop fairly frequently off of high level veins. If you don't have the luxury of being a miner then they drop from Sundered Thunderer in Netherstorm.

Kommentar von 162423

can u respecc two times? like when u respecc to potions to transmution can u respecc again?

Kommentar von 193818

Buy a Primal Earth off the AH for 5g. Transmute to Primal Life.

No Proc = 15-25g Profit.
Proc = 30-145g Profit.

2 Minutes Work.

Kommentar von HelsRike

Right I've just hit the level where I can choose a Mastery. I want to be an Elixir Master to help provide me with Flasks and Elixirs more easily. However, I'm not in the damn mood to do the Black Morass at this time. So I started to look around for a solution to my problem (which is I'm a lazy @#$%).

And there is a way to avoid this a little bit. To start from the beginning, to choose a Mastery you need to do a quest. Normally you get the pre-quest from the trainer in the tower in Honour Hold, Hellfire Peninsula; it sends you to three difference characters (not sure exactly where on everyone, though I believe it is in Telredor, Zangarmarsh, Shattrath, Lower City and Stormspire in Netherstorm. It seems, however, that you do not have to get the quest from Honour Hold first; it's enough you go to the Mastery-NPC:s directly.

Anyway, most people are likely to do the right quest for the right mastery (people wanting Potion Mastery do the Potion Mastery quest, and so on); however, there's another way! With a patch (can't remember which), Blizzard implemented a way to change your mastery, which means that you can do ANY of the quests, then unlearn your mastery and learn the mastery you really wanted! Basically go to the Mastery-trainer whose quest you think is easiest (I think it's Transmutation Mastery, it requires four Primal Mights, which is very cheap if you do them yourself, which is easy since they removed the cooldown). Anyway, go to Stormspire if you choose to do this quest (you can of course do any of them, but the whole point with this is to take the easiest one which requires least effort), talk to Zarevhi in Stormspire (or talk to the Gnome in Honour Hold first, who will give you a follow up. However, if he doesn't, do not worry, you don't have to take his quest first as it seems you can just talk to the Alchemy Master directly, I did).

Anyway, take the quest and turn in the four Primal Mights. He'll give you Transmutation Mastery. Talk to him again and you'll have the option to un-learn your current mastery. Proceed with this and you'll have your Mastery dropped (your Alchemy-profession is not affected by this). Then simply go to the NPC who trains the Mastery you wish to have, and talk to them, and they will give you the Mastery you wanted without forcing you to do their quest as well!

You need, if you choose the Transmutation Mastery, four Primal Might (50g on the AH, but a lot cheaper if you buy all the mats, probably 50g-80g altogether) and a 150g for the fee of un-learning your Mastery.

Kommentar von trovalds

If you are specialized, you DON'T need to bring mats to new specialization. Just drop actual one then train the another. The specialization quest is done ONE time only (for any of the specializations). After this, just pay the fee and respec.

Kommentar von nikbos

Fyi: This transmutation mastery does proc for gems

Proc Rates for Ametrine:

From the day I Finished the transmutation master quest:

Day one:
Ametrinex2

Day two:
Ametrinex2

Day three:
Ametrinex1

Day four:
Ametrinex1

Day five:
Ametrinex1

So out of 5 days I made 2 extra gems (or 200gold on my server)!

Kommentar von 39766

This is all cool and stuff that you can unlearn, dont do as me though and try out some of the text you can click on... cost me 300 large ones ! :D so watch out

Kommentar von 394640

Im disappointed with transmutation i havent got single proc in 3 weeks, but i like alchemy and have 3 so i dont realy need another elixier master. Maybe i will get lucky with my proc in next 3 weeks but first 3 was disappointing.

Kommentar von tumbirs

Once you complete a alchemist mastery quest; you can unlearn it and
learn other mastery at the cost of 150g and no more quests.

Kommentar von Daeniie

It must also be noted that if you have a mastery quest from one questgiver but chose to go to a different questgiver, you must drop the previous quest first in order for the new chosen questgiver to have any available quests.

What I did was got the elixir quest from the dude in Shattrath and later found out you could learn one specialization, drop it and learn the other without having to re-do a quest. Turns out the Primal Mights were pretty cheap on my server so I bought those and tried going to Apothecary Antonivich but he didnt have any available quests until I dropped the quest from the dude in Shattrath.

May be common sense but if you're kinda not all there upstairs like I am and you did the same, drop the old quest first. :P

Kommentar von 615026

I'd just like to mention something that happened to me.

I recently made my druid an alchemist, leveled to 450, then decided i wanted transmute spec. So I then grinded for the primals, made the mights, traveled up to netherstorm and spoke to the guy. I get there and no quest is available. I simply speak to the guy and I receive transmute mastery, check my bags and 4 primal mights are still in my bags.

The only possible explanation that makes sense is the fact I was an alchemist on my druid back in burning crusade and had transmute mastery then too, for which I did the quest

Basically, If you ever raise alchemy a second time, it must put you to the point where you've just unlearned your spec. When you reach the appropriate level, simply speak to the master of the spec you want and no quest required.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I was reading the posts regarding this spec and was hesitant to waste the primals since the majority hasn't had much luck - however I did it anyway. Have they changed the proc % or something since these posts? I've had the spec for a week - and have proc'ed 4 out of 6 times (first time with 3, 2nd-1, 3rd-2, 4th-2, 5th-2, 6th-1). Just wondering if it's just me or if anyone else noticed a difference?

Kommentar von Allakhazam

what about cooldowns can we transmute spam? if its not I will never choose this...:P

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Ive had Master for 4 days now, 1st 2 days got only one, 3rd day got 2, and just this morning i made 5 primal mights in one transmute, 9 mights in 4 days, not bad

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Trained by an Zarevhi in Stormspire, Netherstorm .

--> You must be level 68 to attain his quest.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I want to just say that this mastery SUCKS. I bought 4 damn Primal mights and handed them in to get the transmutation mastery and it was a TOTAL waste of my money and the money I have spent in the last 3 days making 3 Primal Mights. I didnt need them but I wanted to turn a profit so i got them. Needless to say my transmuting time and money were wasted all 3 days essentially on a single yield rate on all 3 combines. Apparently Blizzard doesnt favor people making money from alchemy. I am gonna drop the money on 2 more combines over the next two days to prove a point. At 5 single yields I am done. Switching to another.

Ok Day 5 and still only one damn yield per transmute. WTF is the deal?

Edited, Aug 2nd 2007 6:13pm by Chaongel

Kommentar von Allakhazam

i dont even know how many times i transmuted something. Not a single "mastery" occured. This is bugged or its something else.
I hope this will be repaired with some new patch, if not i will probably quit Alchemy.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

at the point of alch lvl 360 you get to pick a mastery. imo the mastery depends on your realm, every realm have a punch of guilds that raid whit potions. if you realm has alot of those then pick the Master potion. my realm atm only has 2 guilds that raid whit potions so i'm going for the master transmute becous i have 3 friends needing those Primal Mights realy bad so i'm gonna help them and out hopefully make alot of cash afther

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Do you think this will proc 50% of the time? Primal Might is around 75-100 gold... if it would proc 50% of time, the item would be a lot cheaper... Its just normal rate imo

Kommentar von Allakhazam

Just remember folks, you can only pick up one quest or the other. If your trying to make money like me then I would suggest doing the Master of Transmutation zus the Primal Mights are worth alot more than the potions.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

just a little advice before you get disappointed, your alchemy skill must be 360 or higher. i got my 4 mights before leveling and it wouldnt let me complete the quest. i had to raise my alchemy skill to 360 before being able to learn the mastery.

Kommentar von Allakhazam

I have had xmute master for well over a month doing an xmute a day and have yet to be refunded for my 4 primal might investment. So far, have only gotten 3 procs, each for only 2. 2 Waters from an earth and 2 might procs of 2. If things keep going like this it could take another month just to break even. Makes me miss tailoring specialties. Sure, you have to wait 4 days between making them, but you get a guaranteed 2 when you do. With my xmuting luck, I am averaging about 1 in 10. That is just unacceptable.

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ok ppl. my turn. ive read all the below threads and decided to post a simple guide to x-mute mastery. the proc % is extremely low so dont plan on a get rich quick skeem. the trick is patience. get revered w/ the 4 outland factions that have the recipes for primal to primal x-muting. shat has the fire to air. after getting all 4 (earth-water, water-air, air-fire, fire-earth) buy some primal earths for 4-6g a piece and just keep transmuting the same primals over and over again until youve got enough that you want. hopefully during this process you'll learn a couple xmutes and get some procs. btw ive been xmute master for over 4 months and finally got a proc for more than 2 (4 earth-life). like i said, its not a quick way but its an efficient way to make money. after youve got a ton of regular primals you can xmute to mights or just sell the primals as they are. as for the price of getting started w/ xmute mastery, yeah, its a pain (theres a way around it but i forget) but the pay off is enough in the end to over-compensate for the 4 primal mights.

i hope this helps

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5 transmutes for me so far and no extra. I picked this because of the long cooldown on transmutes so thought that it would be the most useful. Now I'm thinking I should have just kept the 4 Primal Mights it took to get it!

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So Far I have transmuted a total of 3 times, and nothing happened.....

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Folks there are some great points in here and I'd like to add my 2 cents. First, Alchemy X-mute mastery is meant as support profession. Take a look at the epic patterns for all of the other professions and you will see especially the Primal Mights are in high demand. Therfore I conclude (as well as many others in this forum) that this profession is critical for end game guilds where the players pool resources to create a greater product for their own benefit (Anyone here heard of a supply chain?) Second, this talk "No procs of the Mastery talent to get 2 primal mights" is nonsense. If you are looking to make cash quick go grind the 70+ mobs in Outland, you should be able to pull well over 75g an hour if you play smart and have just a touch of luck. The mastery proc is nothing more than a bonus meant to be a pleasent surprise. Kind of like cracking an egg and finding that it has two yolks. So, this is a high value profession to guilds but if you're a loner or just looking for cash, this profession might not be the right path for you.

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For all you people out there who are complaining that you can't make money because it's not proccing, perhaps you need to realize you're not looking at it the right way. I've done 7 transmutes so far with only one porc. And while it's nice to have an extra primal might to make 90 more gold, I've honestly made more and steady money with alchemy by making and selling potions in the AH from the weeds I gather while grinding primals. And the primals are very easy if you're also doing dailies around where the elementals are. I probably make about 130gold in a couple hours doing dailies. And in the same amount of time, get the elementals/primals I need to make a might and sell it for 90 gold. Not bad for 3 hours of work tops. Plus the elixirs I can sell on the side. I've found alchemy to be highly profitable as long as you can keep track of what sells well.

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Ensure you change your alchemy button to the new "Transmutation Mastery" button, had a few people complain about proc rate that werent even using the correct button

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REMEMBER THE LAW OF EQUIVALENT EXCHANGE,I TELL YA!

Also,Alchemist's stone is just a cheap replica of a philosopher stone made from red water >_>

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Based on four months of transmuting once a day (skipping a few), I have found the proc rate to be 15%. In that time, all but one of the procs was for and extra. I did get one that gave 2 extra -- and wouldn't you know it, it was for an old-world transmute that was worth zilch. Definitely worthless.

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I've transmuted five times since taking master of transmutation and it has never procced ><. With the 1 day cooldown and the ever dropping prices of transmuted items this sucks majorly. I'd pick one of the other two specialisations if you're about to choose.

Edited, Feb 16th 2007 12:06am by BonezOr

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that is kind of an odd question ^^.
A proc in general is an event that has a low percentage of happening while doing something: For example, if your Darkmoon Card: Twisting Nether "procs" you get ressurrected.
A proc for different alchemy specs means that while making a potion, as a potion master, you create more then one potion with the mats of one, it would say: you created "potionxy"x2
Ttransmutation masters can proc while doing transmutations, for example, while doing "primal water to shadow transmute" making 2 primal shadows out of one primal water.
maximal proc is 4, so you'd create a total of 5 items where you'd normally just get 1!

And that my friend is a proc.

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Do not go for this specialization. it is plain stupid with its proc rate, long cooldowns,cost to learn and 'cost of products'<'cost of mats'. The only case i recommend this specilaization is if yu have friends/guild to transmute for:)

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When it procced for you guys, did you have mats for others? The reason I'm asking is because someone told me that it will only proc if you have mats for others of the same transmute, and that other specializations go by different rules. I was lead to believe by looking at Thottbot that it will "spawn" between 1-5 extra ones with the mats it takes for just 1. Now I'm not sure what to believe. Thank you for any/all help you provide on this subject.

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I have transmuted about 7 days straight and have gotten 2 primals on two occasions. It's not a bad specialization depending on your intent. If you're just doing it to make money on primal mights, it probably isn't a great idea. If you're doing it for the sake of your guild in order to outfit everyone with good gear, this is the specialty for you. Primal Mights are the new Arcanite Bars in that it's used for just about every epic pattern for both armor and weapons. I'm the guy that does transmutes for my guild and all my fellow guildees send me the mats. For my sake, I'll be getting the first epic dagger that requires four primal mights.

Remember, though, once you pick this specialization, the only way to switch to another one is unlearn alchemy and relearn at zero. Therefore, it could be an expensive switch. If you want to make true profit, I would recommend elixirs since they are always usable in raid groups and sell for a good amount of gold on the AH.

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And now I'm going to ask to most silly question of them all:

What is the "proc" everybody here talks about? :P

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Transmuted for the first time today, And I got 5 primal mights xD

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Complete and utter waste of four primal mights. I've had this specialization for two and a half months, done a transmute every single day, and have never gotten it to proc. Not once. I expected to make my investment back eventually, but at this rate, even if it finally procs tomorrow, it will take an entire year just to break even. Pick another specialization if you're an alchemist, this one is worthless.

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i have transmuted about 20 times and only 2 times i got 2x >.<

Bad specialization :((

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Had this specialization for about 7 weeks now... I'm on my 26th day now without a single proc. When I first did it I made my time and effort back with immediate 2 and 3 procs which happened quite often. I would DEFINITELY suggest the potion specialist to anyone wanting to make money with alchemy. Worst thing is, I know every recipe 300 and under, and I have 5 of the rare recipes so dropping it sounds like a really nasty idea. If I could make 2-3 extra of those I'd have more bank than I already do.

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I have been wondering...

I have had several procs as a master - both + Primal Mights and new recepies, but never in IF - only in Shatttrath/Outland.

Anyone esle have this experience?

And have anyone had another one but the "new" transmutations to proc?
I haven't...

Btw. I have used the old button to, no diffrence to me witch one I use

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It might be bugged because i have transmuted about 15 times since i got it and it havent ''procced'' could be im just unlucky...

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I've been dissapointed with this specialization so far personally (no procs, 3 weeks), but I also didn't know there was a transmute mastery button until just now... I'll give that a shot :P

In my opinion, the biggest drawback and the biggest advantage have yet to be mentioned though:

Drawback: requires getting 4 primal mights. The other two quests require (to my understanding) making some easy/cheap stuff and then doing fun quest stuff that brings you to Black Morass and Botanica. I'm too much of a miser to buy any of the mats for my primals other than the manas, so that meant I spent about 10 hours on the throne of elements. Too long, though it did fill the gaps between instances nicely. I would have greatly preferred doing the others. Of course it is unique also in that if you're loaded you can easily buy the quest.

Advantage: Since one person can make as many potions and elixirs per day as he/she wants, it doesn't help a guild to have more than one elixir/potion master aside from making sure some master is available. IMO the best guild breakdown would be to have a couple people managing the elixirs another couple on potions while the rest of the guild is transmutation taking full advantage of the cooldowns.

My guess is that they originally had the mastery proc as often as the other two, but got worried when they noticed the average price of mights in the double digits.

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I picked up this quest at 325 skill, had options for the other two quests.
Can anyone confirm if this is a change, if so can someone check to see if there is a new level prerequisite?

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help.
i'm level 68 and have 199 level on alchemy, i cant take this quest. Anyone knows the requeriments?

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