评论来自 5691

Compared to S2 weapon, the Merciless Gladiator's Bonegrinder, this weapon has:

+ 7.3 (7.87 with Strength) DPS value
+ 4 Strength (0.57 DPS)
+ 7 Stamina
- 3 Hit Rating
+ 4 Critical Strike rating
+ 98 armor ignored

Looks similar to Torch of the Damned.

Screenshot courtesy of mmo-champion.com

评论来自 67646

So, presuming that the weapon looks anything like the icon/thumbnail...

I'm slightly concerned...it doesn't seem like it's going to look very...vengeful...

评论来自 51712

If you ask me, mograine's might was a perfect model for a high level mace, that was a sick weapon model and i know i was very sad when i had to let it go at like lvl 47 or something, i still have mograine's in my bank :)

评论来自 11695

The graphics for this mace (and Mograine's) is by far the coolest there is ingame atm. Now you can look like Sauron and still smashsmash endgame :P

评论来自 Khasm

Changed to a recolored Torch of the Damned on PTR

评论来自 Hatsmash

What are the thoughts of this compared to Stormherald?

Anyone find Stormherald still better because of the 4 sec stun on it?

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评论来自 99732

Well, the difference is if you are able to get nether vortexes or not.
If you are, I would definately use Stormherald over this, and rather spend the arena points to other items.

评论来自 Worry

Your numbers are seriously flawed.

I'm currently using partial S2 gear, which is far off from the maximum resilience you can stack, and I reduce crit chance by 9%. So, no, it's actually quite a bit more than 7%. If I recall correctly, if you max resilience, it's a 12% reduction, and a 25% reduction on the damage of all critical strikes, which is actually pretty huge.

Nothing sidesteps resilience, really--DoTs did, but that was fixed, and if you think stacking only AP will make you an arena monster, you're in for an ugly awakening.

评论来自 Geronin

All armor and weapons that require a personal rating now also require your team to have atleast same rating in order to buy.

Example:

Shoulders 2000 Personal rating now also require Arena team rating +2000.

评论来自 71944

This mace is THE choice for retadins. It has 616 DPS while Torch has 619. Pretty darn close, especially if you can't get into BT just yet.

评论来自 115159

so once we get this weapon do we need to always keep 1850+ personal or what happens if we dont?

评论来自 120266

what about shamans this or dual wielding the weaponsmithing rewards with another good off-hand?

评论来自 136846

When season 4 comes out will these weapons or even the shoulders still require 1850 and 2000 personal / team raiting ??

评论来自 76346

althought this weapon has more damage and ignores armour and more crit with all s3 your loosing hit... which ive noticed is afecting me alot in arena so im just wondering if its all worth it in the end?

评论来自 Jickles

I currently don't use an arena weapon at all, and still manage to have 78 hit. 80 is the golden number. There's nothing wrong with socketing hit to get 80 hit. I should get a 5 str 4 hit gem, but I'm rather lazy.

评论来自 117253

Like all of the S3 two-handers, just put executioner on it and you will see an increase in damage.

评论来自 81603

A good alternitive to this is Stormherald ( https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=28442 ), the extra 1% to stun can come in handy and so can the +crit from the +agility. I personally would use Stormherlad.

评论来自 Fallout

The difference is not ability to get Stormherald. Firstly anyone can get the vortecies as long as you do gold grinding (dailies/mining/etc), and pay a guild to take you. 500g per nether used to be average on KT.

Secondly this mace smokes Stormherald and here is why: 1) The hit rating could free up either gems or an item like, for example, Red Belt of Battle that you'd only be wearing for hit once the S3 honor belt arrives. This is dependent on your gear, of course. 2) The stun effect on SH was and still is negligible compared to Mace Specialization. 3) Resilience. 4) Armor Penetration. 5) 42agi vs 46crit rating?

The fact that the hit rating is very situational and the benefit will vary based on your personal gear is obvious, but the last 3 reasons are fairly major.

Resilience as we all well know by now is absolutely crucial, so having it on your weapon is a clear plus. Then there's armor penetration which is the new thing. It allows you to hit harder, consistently, thereby diminishing the effect (to some extent) of casters stacking resilience. Granted the two have no direct relation but it will be an overall increase in damage output if you go for armor penetration. So you'll want to be stacking as much of that as possible.

Lastly the conversion rate from agility to crit for warriors is something like 34 to 1%, whereas the conversion from crit rating to crit is 22.1 to 1%. So Vengeful gives essentialy 2.08% crit while Stormherld gives 1.23%

In short, there's simply nothing better about Stormherald. Arena points were made for spending, and the arena gear is designed for arenas... so choose accordingly.

Quoted from above; S3 weapon is superior in all cases.

评论来自 148017

Here's the link to the S4 2-hand mace :
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2008/april/s4w_bonegrinder.jpg

+6.1 dps value
+4 Hit rating
+4 Critical strike rating

评论来自 85435

I think that if Blizzard would have made Stormherald better than this they would have their heads up their own arse...
Of course, altogether, as an arena player, i choose this over Stormherald. but if your struggling on working at that 1850, Stormherald is a very good choice until you get this, if you have the rating, get this.
T6 is better than T5, this is Vice-versa really, Vengeful is like T6-quality content
and Stormherald is more commonly noticed as being around T5 content.
And of course, the +crit on Vengeful gives more crit than all the agility on Stormherald.
So i think that there is no doubt, that this is a better all-rounder than Stormherald, and a very good mace indeed!

评论来自 167476

These now cost 3000 honor in S4, with a personal rating requirement of 1800. Seems like the discount on last season's 2H weapons is significantly more than it was from S2>S3.

评论来自 167903

I think you mean arena points ?

评论来自 168818

Here is the Stat comparison to the Season 1 Gladiator's Bonegrinder for all who are making the larger leap from S1 to S3:
+15.6 Dps
+14 Strength
+14 Stamina
-5 Hit Rating
+11 Crit Rating
+5 Resilience
+98 Armor Penetration (Armor Penetration not present on Season 1 Gladiator's Bonegrinder)

评论来自 83214

As of June 24, 2008, this weapon, along with other Season 3 weapons, now have a 15% discount and 50 point reduced rating requirement for both personal and team arena ratings. The price for this weapon should be around 3188 arena points, and 1800 personal and team arena rating requirement.

评论来自 Allakhazam

Oh wow....

评论来自 Allakhazam

It is season 3 arena gear. It will be available next tuesday. And you will need an 1850 Arena rating to buy it.

评论来自 Allakhazam

im not sure if its real. thottbot doesnt say is exists

评论来自 Thottbot

Be ware! Soon your skull will be broken!

评论来自 Thottbot

rather grinded :)

评论来自 Thottbot

ITS HAMMER TIME!

评论来自 Thottbot

Halt!
Hammerzeit

评论来自 Thottbot

This is the best pvp weapon for a warrior at this point in my opinion. the mace-specc is extremely useful (especially in 2on2 and 3on3 arena). Though it has no extra stun-proc (like stormherald)the extra damage and stats fully compensate this. The look of this weapon is also great, the top of the weapon rotates around the glowing core ... sweet. If you don't like this weapon(because of the look)or play only 5on5 i suggest you go for the sword.
hf and gz to everybody who owns one of those

评论来自 Thottbot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEWD0r9ivhc

评论来自 Thottbot

cool vid ^^

评论来自 Thottbot

Hoping to upgrade to this soon, will be replacing Deep Thunder, i think it is the best choice of weapon definately for 2v2 and 3v3, in 5v5 you will likely have other ppl who can control the other team, so sword spec may be more useful for the extra burst dmg. If you play mostly 2v2 or 3v3, get this before the sword. (i won't bother to mention axe spec)

评论来自 Thottbot

thank god hunters cant use maces :D

评论来自 Thottbot

1 week left :D

I got the mats for executioner, can't wait.

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评论来自 Thottbot

Just got it on saturday. This thing is rediculously mean. Enchanted with executioner, this baby just rips people apart. Was afraid going from sword to mace would affect my playstyle but no. I understand why this is the best ms warrior pvp weapon.

评论来自 Thottbot

Im gonna get this for my enhance shammy at lvl 70. It was between this and 2 vengeful 1h axes, and dont get my wrong, dual wield is awesome, but with windfury on this baby, it #$%^ing destroys. For all you shamans out there, get this weapon. Unlike dual wielding, this 2h mace with windfury can send out a crit of 8000 damage. Yeah, its that good!

评论来自 Thottbot

I got mine yesterday, @#$%ing destroys with executioner. Im getting 3k MS crits on full s3 targets with no buffs on except a shout and executioner. I havent gotten to test it out in arena yet, though. But I have an idea of the results.

评论来自 Thottbot

Reminds me of the ships from Freespace 2.

评论来自 Thottbot

Just got it, and it hits like a freakin bus!

评论来自 Thottbot

I got stormherald on my warrior and yes this gives extra res and bit more dps against more stun procs on stormherald.

If u already got stormherald and are not getting many points per week u are much better off getting more vengeful armors rather then saving up for this. (Assuming u dont have full venge) :)

Edit: As for that video posted above.. Any warrior knows how satisfying it is to have sweeping strikes on and do whirlwind with 4-5 enemies around u.. thats like 8-10k for just that one whirlwind.. even more :)

评论来自 Thottbot

the points r no problem i got the points for it but the rating is a pain X.X

评论来自 Thottbot

Getting it on my 70 pally hope it is as good as you all say it will be. Got an ok 2vs2 team we own people with healers when we dont have any. Should i get Savegry, Executioner, or Mongoose on this?

评论来自 Thottbot

i would say executioner but s4 is coming out soon so idk

评论来自 Thottbot

This wep owns all noobs end of story

评论来自 Thottbot

Do enchants like Ex show up on this. This wepon would look pwnage if you had an Ex enchant and the Vengeful Glad gear for a warrior

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