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Kommentar von Agronok

At long last we have a HoT! A proper one!
Currently we have that glyph which turns WoG into a HoT but it heals less than direct healing.

Kommentar von Salazans

Our long-wanted paladin HoT.

Currently in the beta my original level 85 does 10k ticks from this, totaling ~120k over 30 seconds (12 ticks with 15% haste).

The ticks can also proc stuff like Schlund des Drachenlords and Waffe - Machtstrom.

Kommentar von 626994

is it useable of self ? meaning is it an avaliable tank choise ?

Kommentar von 1007593

You can keep this HoT up for 100% of the time.
30 seconds to build up 3 Holy Power isn't that hard.

And you can cast it on yourself. Which makes it a really good tank talent.

Healers should better go with Geheiligter Schild
and Rets have a choice between this one and Selbstloser Heiler

Kommentar von 1009016

The preferred Protection Paladin choice of heal with the recent addition of the HoT effect. And the best part is that it is upgrade, and not a new ability to cram on our action bars. Cheers!

Kommentar von 800746

"Eternal Flame does not have a target limit. It is in nearly every way a Word of Glory that also has a hot component. One exception is that Eternal Flame does not work with Harsh Words."

Wut pally's just got Riptide?

Kommentar von 1017057

Additional Information regarding Eternal Flame:

* Transfers through Beacon at 50% both direct heal and heal over time component.
* Heal over time component applies and builds Illuminated Healing (Mastery Absorb).

It might receive a nerf before release because of the above info. Since it has unlimited targets and it transfers through Beacon at 50% the Beacon target receives a substantial stream of healing if you have multiple Eternal Flames rolling across the raid. At 85 in Heroic DS gear the heal over time component was doing ~11k per tick.

Kommentar von Straata

The initial heal does benefit from BoG stacks, the HoT does not.

Kommentar von 998311

patch 5.0.4 live on the regular server:

@ lv85 with 4290 spell power (prot paly), this says "heals them for 6826 to 7365 and an additional 709 every 3 seconds for 30 seconds (2.98s and 29.84s b/c of... idk.)"

which if the +49% and +5.85% are correct, then it's:

Consumes up to 3 Holy Power to place a protective Holy flame on a friendly target, which heals them for 4724 to 5263 (+ 49% of SpellPower) and an additional 458 (+ 5.85% of SpellPower) every 3 sec for 30 sec. Healing increased per charge of Holy Power.

Assuming the % doesn't change at lower than lv90. But i have observed exactly the same heal amount from word of glory, and eternal flame's initial heal (checked WOG before putting eternal flame on my off spec)

Kommentar von xanous

The initial heal is about the same as you'd get with a plain word-of-glory. What you get extra is the HOT.

Kommentar von 480061

It works with Glyphe 'Beschützer der Unschuldigen'...but only the initial heal, not the HoT.

Kommentar von 480061

One of the best uses of this spell is to maintain the Meisterschaft: Erleuchtete Heilung on our tanks before the combat starts.
With only 1 charge of Holy Power you can throw a full 30sec "not-so-eternal"flame who will refresh every 3sec the mastery shield.
Just fill the shields and maintain with holy shocks and eternal flames. Easier than otherwise.

Kommentar von 1047462

I have used eternal flame as a ret pally
Butt it seems to lower my dps Cause its
using my holypower when to save my ass when
I need to be using inquisition or however
U spell it

Kommentar von Cloudburst

I'm intrigued by Eternal Flame's interaction with Beacon of Light. As captainlooney pointed out, Beacon of Light does transfer 50% of both the initial heal and the HoT. Eternal Flame also lasts for an absurdly long amount of time (30 seconds).

My thought is that you toss Beacon on the tank, keep Eternal Flame up on him/her, then roll Eternal Flame as needed on the party/raid. All of your active Eternal Flames transfer their HoT via Beacon to the tank, which means 100% HoT from the EF on the tank, then 50% HoT for each target EF is on. The potential amount of sustained single target and multi-target healing from these two spells (+ Holy Shock) is absurd--and you still have all your other spells.

All and all, I see this as being a very versatile, very effective talent choice. Its primary weakness is that while the total healing done does effectively double the healing-per-HP, the second half of that healing is spread out over a 30 second HoT.

Kommentar von Titanius05

I like Eternal Flame for Ret because it effcient in the use of Holy Power(HP). Here's my reasoning:

I believe in the DPS principle "Your health is a resource," a buffer if you will that defers the use of other resources that you would otherwise use for damage dealing.

Why i dislike Sacred Shield:

If my enemy spikes in damage and rips through the absorb tick and I take damage (thats fine). But the subsequent tick will not restore any of my lost health but just prevent future damage.
If my enemy's attack dips in damage, sacred shield may not be used up before the next tick, meaning absorb not used (thus, wasted).
I can only apply sacred shield before damage. After damage, it doesn't do me jack diddly.
If you need a heal, you still have to spend mana or HP to do so.

Why I like Eternal Flame:

EF ticks are wasted in the case of being at max health. I can control this as the damage comes so that its not wasted.
If my enemy's damage spikes, I can apply the hot sooner.
If the enemy's damage dips, I can apply later.
If the enemy spikes and then dips, the subsequent ticks can make up for the spike.
If I need a heal, I'm spending HP anyways (thus maxing the use of that HP).

Taking a step back, you're going to need a self-heal at some point, otherwise SS vs EF is moot. Both do roughly the same job as the other, but in application, you maximize the Holy Power you're going to use to heal. SS's cost is not upfront, but can add up more if damage spikes/dips occur. EF's cost is upfront, but has almost no cost once applied, if applied correctly (timing). My experience says I'll use more HP overall with SS than EF, HP that should be used to DO damage, not undo damage taken.

I could go on about how this changes somewhat when applied to groups, but I thinks this is already too long of a post.

Kommentar von Scharr

5.2 brings the HoT portion 100% bonus healing if used on the Paladin. Does that bonus still work through Beacon of Light? I could see that making this much more attractive for general throughput purposes.

100% bonus to HoT on Paladin + 50% of HoT goes through Beacon = 100% of a normal EF HoT on the Beacon target. You could effectively stack up two full HoTs on the tank, and if using Holy Avenger, add two or three more 50% HoTs to the tank by using the rest of the party, in situations of high incoming damage.

Kommentar von 1105855

I tended to use Geheiligter Schild prior to 5.2, however I decided to give Ewige Flamme a run for its money now that they buffed the HoT.

All I can say is that wow, this HoT now goes into ridiculous numbers.

Example: My tooltip, without any Vengeance, say that the HoT should heal for 1,158, which is 1,158 for each Holy Power, meaning that at 3 Holy Power it should heal for:

1,158 x 3 x 2 = 6,948

Now of course, that's not all that much...yet. At the moment, my Bastion of Glory gives me a 35% boost per stack, meaning at max I have a 175% boost to Eternal Flame's instant heal and HoT. Now let's look at this from a point where I have absolutely no Vengeance again, but with 5 stacks of BoG.

1,158 x 3 x 2 x 2.75 = 19,107
Though In-Game it's 19,118 for me, but that possibly just because of the decimals inbetween a shown percentage increase in Mastery.

Now that's already not too bad a boost, though now let us look at what it would be like with the average amount of Vengeance, let's say an about 100,000 AP increase in this case, though the average Vengeance boost will be different depending on the encounter and player.

I would be sitting at 120,348 AP at that point, meaning about 60,174 SP.

Eternal Flame's HoT scales with 5.85% of the player's SP, so:

508 + ( 60,174 / 100 x 5.85 ) = 4,028.18 = 4,028

That's the new base HoT, now let's calculate our other multipliers into this.

4,028 x 3 x 2 x 2.75 = 66,462 ( 66,462 x 1.05 = 69,785 with Siegel der Einsicht )
We come to HoT that heals for about 66,462 every 3 seconds, not calculating in any random crits.
We can also safely assume that with an about 200,000 AP boost through Vengeance we would rest at a HoT that would tick for 122,924 every 3 seconds, not taking any Haste into account.

If we now note that this ticks twice in the same time that Sacred Shield ticks once, it's clear that this in all technicality leaves Sacred Shield in the dust.

Kommentar von 5427

Haste
Its HoT part benefits from haste, meaning ticks are more often, and at the following breakpoints additional ticks are added, resulting in a direct healing done increase from haste.

+#	Total	Haste	+5% raid	None
2	12	15.01%	0	1936
3	13	25.03%	3506	5806
4	14	30.00%	7170	9653
5	15	45.03%	10867	13536

Source

Beacon of Light
The direct healing and also the HoT part counts to Flamme des Glaubens (50%). Since EF can be active on multiple targets, and all of them heals through BoL, it can gives a steady healing on the tank.

Mastery
Meisterschaft: Erleuchtete Heilung benefits from HoT part, stacking up the shield as the HoT ticks, and also refreshes its duration. This can be useful if you wan't to keep up your shields on many targets. For the refresh you can even use EF's casts with a single Holy Power.

Kommentar von 3vilMoW

As a prot pally I've been toying with this one

The two set bonus of tier 15 Item - Paladin T15 Protection 2P Bonus encourages the use WoG or ET. With ET instead of SS, we get not only increased block but a rather big and manafree Hot to ourselves. Glyph with Ausgebrannte Glyphe (It works on self heals) and you get a decent DPS increase as well.

Only downside is you have to survive the hits, but SS isn't a big enough absorb imo. I say Eternal flame is a really good spec item for Prot pallys.

Kommentar von acariquara

I don't wanna lose this feeeeeeeliiiinnngg
oooooooohhh

Kommentar von 1137079

This Heal is also good for the Retribution Paladin, since it only works with Holy Power and you have a lot of charging attacks. It's a fighting heal, since it's instant cast. It lowers your DPS, but it also keeps you alive, which is more important. The best part is that you don't need all three charges. If you're just double-teaming it can also be useful to keep a Mage going.

Mostly because it's a fighting Heal and thus you need to attack things to use it, you probably shouldn't use it too much as a Holy Paladin; you have better things to heal with.

Kommentar von Rylande

As of 5.3 (or maybe earlier), Bastion of Glory now appears to influence the HoT as well. I tried a cast with no vengeance up, 3 holy power and with 5 stacks. I got 8k ticks at that time, then I tried it with just 3 holy power and got 3k ticks. Maybe sacred shield is better for raiding n such, but for soloing, I prefer eternal flame much more!

Kommentar von Solarflair

Currently as of Patch 5.4, Eternal Flame > Sacred Shield AND it is worth noting that it is most optimal to only use Eternal Flame (unless 'oh *** moment occurs) at 4 to 5 stacks of Bastion of Glory.

Kommentar von Traditor

In 5.4 this spell is invaluable for a leveling Prot Paladin. I'm currently at level 55 and this spell heals roughly with one charge of Holy Power 13-14% of my max health, and then gives me a HoT, It needs only consume 1 holy power to be at a decent strength from what I can tell, And it's leagues better then Sacred Shield because it allows Grand Crusader to proc. You may want to pick up Sacred Shield if your under level 50, but after that having the Grand Crusader proc is much more valuable.

Kommentar von Aquissya

According to Alpha patch notes for Warlords of Draenor, this ability will now have a 1.5 second cast time.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/13423478/warlords-of-draenor%E2%84%A2-alpha-patch-notes-04-17-2014-4-18-2014#combat_rez

Kommentar von 746315

For those of you looking for the HoT buff in WoD; .

Kommentar von TrutusBalnazzar

From level 50 onwards to about 70-75, this becomes an extremely powerful tool for protection paladins soloing content for faster experience than LFD. Used this and Seal of Insight on my loomed Paladin to solo Blackrock Depths at level 50, came out at level 56 after about an hour to an hour and a half killing everything. I died only twice due to over-pulling, but that shouldn't be a problem if you're smart enough.

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Ewige Flamme

Ewige Flamme	Stufe 90

Talent

Ersetzt Wort der Herrlichkeit

1 Heilige Kraft	40 Meter Reichweite

Spontanzauber	1.5 sek. Abklingzeit

Zehrt bis zu 3 heilige Kraft auf, um ein verbündetes Ziel mit einer heiligen Flamme zu erleuchten, die es um 5539 heilt und zusätzlich 30 Sek. lang alle 3 Sek. um weitere (711 * 1). Die Heilung wird pro verbrauchter heiliger Kraft erhöht. Der regelmäßige Heilungseffekt ist 50% stärker, wenn der Zauber auf den Paladin selbst gewirkt wird.

Ersetzt 'Wort der Herrlichkeit'. [Meisterschaft: Erleuchtete Heilung: In Arenen oder auf Schlachtfeldern wird die regelmäßige Heilung durch diesen Zauber um 40% erhöht, löst aber nicht 'Erleuchtete Heilung' aus]

Stärkungszauber

Ewige Flamme	Stufe 90

Heilt alle 3 Sek. 711 Schaden.
Noch 30 sekunden

Zauberdetails

Dauer

30 sekunden

Magieart

Heilig

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n/a

Bannart

Magie

GCD-Kategorie

Normal

Kosten

1 Heilige Kraft

Reichweite

40 Meter (Lang)

Zauberzeit

Sofort

Abklingzeit

1.5 sekunden

GCD

1.5 sekunden

Effekt #1

Heal
Wert: 1 (SP mod: 0.49)
PVP-Multiplikator: 1

Effekt #2

Apply Aura: [Periodic Heal]
Wert: 1 alle 3 sekunden (SP mod: 0.0819)
PVP-Multiplikator: 1

Effekt #3

Dummy
Wert: 50
PVP-Multiplikator: 1
Serverseitiges Skript

Effekt #4

Dummy
Wert: 40
PVP-Multiplikator: 1
Serverseitiges Skript

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Kann nicht verwendet werden, während Ihr gestaltverwandelt seid
Erfordert keine Gestaltwandlung
Regel fürs DoT-Stapeln
Aura springt nie über
Zaubertempo betrifft periodisch
Gefährtimmunitätenkategorie
Periodisch kann kritisch treffen
Aura zeigt auf Clienten
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