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Commentaire de 2338

If you are interested in the proc rate of crusader then read this.

http://rogerkarlsson.com/blogs/wow/crusader/

In short, the proc rate for lifestealing is based on your weapon speed, and the approximate proc rate for any given weapon can be found via this formula.

proc rate (%) = weapon speed * 1.82

Commentaire de Wedmark

It is possible to enchant both your Main-Hand and your Off-Hand with Crusader. They stack. Thus giving +200 Strength if both procs at the same time.

Commentaire de netherbane

Ever wonder why these weapon enchants never report a percentage for the proc, just that it has a chance?

That's because these procs don't have a general percentage to proc. Instead, all weapon enchants like fiery, icy, crusader, etc have a BASE CHANCE to proc, which is then modified by weapon speed.

Basically, the enchants are all targeted at providing a consistent DPS/Buff level across all weapon types. Say the base chance to proc is 10% based on a 2.5 speed weapon. You would then see that drop to 6.8 ( 1.5 / 2.5 = 68% | 68% of 10% ). Likewise, if you were using a weapon with a slow swing speed like 3.8 you would have a realized proc rate of 15.2%.

And with additional reading provided below, the actual rate has been discovered to be:

Chance on hit (%) = weapon speed * 1.82

In otherwords, your 1.7 speed dagger gets a 3.094% chance to proc, and the 3.8 speed 2h mace gets a 6.916% chance to proc.

In other words, weapon speed doesn't matter.

You will not get more procs from items that give you extra attacks or increase your attack speed. I.E. Thrash Blade or Hand of Justice extra attack proc, or Seal of the Crusader increase attack speed will not increase the amount of procs on the Crusader.

Commentaire de Darkweave

This is a very cheap enchant I would have to say get it if you would like another 100 strength for doing damage good for fury warriors.

Commentaire de SeriusJones

Best Mainhand for a combat sword rogue. I don't know the exact math behind it, but it is based on PPM (procs per minute), and performs well on a slow sword.

The Str is a nice AP boost, and the healing is no joke in raids and PvP either. I myself am more of a lifesteal guy, but this is right on par with it (more dmg, less heal).

- SJ

Commentaire de 8128

Our main tank uses this enchant. He loves the bonuses that it has, since i put it on his sword he has actually noticed it is a little easier to hold agro during our dungeon runs and raids.

Commentaire de Magmy

Since Crusader is a level 60 spell, it does less every level you are above 60. The exact amount is -4% effectiveness per level.

So at level 70 (a 40% reduction), Crusader only gives +60 Strength and only heals for 45-75 health. The tooltip still states you're getting 100 Strength, but if you look upon your character sheet, the increase is only by 60. Of course, this is the same for any tooltip in the game.

Commentaire de thebrassthief

Can you still enchant Crusader on lower level items? I thought they put restrictions on this when tBC hit.

Commentaire de 9117

All the old enchants can still be put on low level items, only the new TBC enchants have level requirements

Commentaire de gamepin126

Confirmed double proc'ing. Lvl70 Enh Shaman.

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/522/wow2007031220570362op1.png

Commentaire de 36705

I don't understand why they are decreaseing the effectiveness of this chant as you level. I mean, as you increase in level the amount of strength you would get from this would be steadily less apealing anyways since you can probably find better chants. Why not just make a better chant as apposed to making this one a crappy one?

Commentaire de Slanter

Here's a little math I did for Lifestealing vs Crusader.
I know most of it is right, but I'm not completely sure about the strength to damage conversion I have on here :P

(for the weapons, I just chose 2 popular rogue twink weapons, as I'm researching which of these enchants would be better suited to a lvl 19 twink rogue)

Lifestealing:
Cruel Barb - 22.036% (Speed 2.80 * 7.87)
Assassin's Blade - 14.953% (Speed 1.90 * 7.87)

Crusader:
Cruel Barb - 05.096% (Speed 2.80 * 1.82)
Assassin's Blade - 03.458% (Speed 1.90 * 1.82)

22.036 / 5.096 = 4.3241758241758241758241758241758
14.953 / 3.458 = 4.3241758241758241758241758241758

Lifestealing Procs ~4.32 times more often than crusader

Crusader: 75-125 heal (100 avg) +100 str
Lifestealing: ~130 heal ~130 dmg

According to this, lifestealing will heal you for 5-55 more (avg of 30) than crusader over the same time period.

The +100 strength from Crusader will increase your DPS by ~14 for 15 seconds. This is about an extra 210 damage, while lifestealing does only about 130 damage over the same period. So, crusader does ~80 more damage than lifestealing over the same time period. However, if crusader procs more than once over a 15 second period, some of that extra DPS is wasted, while with Lifestealing the damage is always assured (unless resisted of course).

So crusader gets you about 80 more damage than lifestealing over the same time period, but lifestealing will heal you for about 30 more.

*Note - The damage does not take into account things like shadow resistance, armor, or critical strikes. It is more likely that the crusader's damage is decreased by a larger percentage than the lifestealing, especially on mail/plate wearers, meaning that in some cases lifestealing could actually be doing more damage than crusader. But you have a better chance of getting a critical hit while the +100 strength buff from crusader is going.

Cost of Enchants:
-Averaged from polls with 2000-3000+ votes:
--Crusader: 99G 07S 06C
--Lifestealing: 74G 01S 58C (25G 5S 48C cheaper)
-Based on Allakhazam's AH buyout prices:
--Crusader: 172G
--Lifestealing: 123G 96S (48G 4S cheaper)

Commentaire de 63718

I want to ask. Does crusader procs using special attacks for example siniter strike or backstab or only normal atks?

Commentaire de 74247

Does anyone know if crusader sells well? I'm an enchanter about to hit 300 and i want to know if i can make money on it.

Commentaire de 51561

If you are trying to decide on whether to have Lifestealing or Crusader on your Mainhand wep, heres a little math to help:

With a 1.5s weapon procing at 2.73% we're looking at an average of 1 proc every 54 seconds (assuming every hit lands), or a .0185 "proc effect per second" average.

This is 1.85 health per second.Damage increases will vary by class, but shamans, warriors and druids and paladins will see a (100 str *2 = 200 AP increase/14) ~+14 dps increase for 15 seconds for an average dps increase from the proc over time of 3.8 dps. For hunters and rogues, there's an average 1.94 dps increase over time from the proc.

For comparison, Fiery weapon is about a 3.4dps increase, and +5 to damage is 3.3dps (on the 1.5, it's obviously speed dependent).

So in simpler words, For Classes that strength gives 2 AP, this is the better enchant. For classes that get 1 AP per Strength, its better to go with Lifestealing.
For warriors this enchant can be combined with the hamstring mashing trick. While doing this you can get 3.3 chances to proc each time you swing your wep, at 3.6 speed (1 weapon swing, 2 hamstrings).

Commentaire de 80033

So,I wanna get this straight---is crusader better than lifestealing?
Becos I have a 70 rogue but I dunno what to choose.
I'm a combat swords rogue with a 2.80 speed main hand sword and a 1.40 speed off hand sword btw.

I'd REALLY appreciate a good answer.

Thank you

Commentaire de 72407

http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=20007

crusader proc.

Commentaire de 60711

The proc pwns

Commentaire de 42730

I have found at level 70 stratholme is the BEST place to farm for this enchant..i brought a 70 pally friend with me and we got enough mats for 3 crusaders considering i'm an enchanter the blues that drop give you large brilliant shards!

Commentaire de 47683

It's sad to say, but a lot of people scoff at my decision to place this on my Sun Eater. As a prot war, I feel that 60 strength is still a considerable boost that also affects block value. Against raid bosses with pretty good fight times, timed usage of the Auto Blocker gives a nice a boost in my Shield Slams.

Commentaire de 53267

Lifestealing has a rather high proc chance to deal 30 damage and heal self for 30, Crusader has a somewhat lower proc chance to raise strength by 100 for 15 sec and heal self for 75-125.

Now I wonder, is the proc chance of Lifestealing high enough to actually offset the difference in effect?

I will try and compare:
Imagine a character with a 20 dps two-hander, and 175 AP- total 32.5 dps.
Has either Llifestealing or Crusader.

During the Crusader proc of 15 seconds, average 100 hp is healed and the character has 375 AP (if it's a warrior/paladin/shaman/druid, otherwise it's 275 AP) equalling 46.8 dps. With constant damage on target, that would deal 702 damage in 15 seconds, compared to the 488 dealt when it has 32.5 dps. So the total effect of one Crusader proc on this character is average 100 hp healed, 214 extra damage dealt. (this 214 damage also holds true on any other value for weapon DPS or base AP)

Lifestealing heals for 30, damages for 30. In order to equal the extra damage on Crusader it has to proc
7.1 times, in order to equal the heal it has to proc 3.3 times.

Crusader is known to proc approximately 1 time per minute, Lifestealing 4.72 (according to http://rogerkarlsson.com/blogs/wow/lifestealing/ ) so in a timespan of 127 minutes Crusader would proc 127 times, Lifestealing 600 times.

Crusader would heal for 12700 average, and deal 27178 extra damage.
Lifestealing would heal for 18000, and deal 18000 damage. (again, if the user is wa/sh/dr/pa)

While this cannot be compared fully, this would come down to a total of
Crusader: 39878 "hp" in 127 minutes
Lifestealing: 36000 "hp" in 127 minutes.

Conclusion: still a matter of preference: both deal good damage, but Lifestealing heals a bit more and Crusader damages a bit more, BUT if you're a rogue/druid in cat form, LIFESTEALING is definately better.

Commentaire de hlcws

So does crusader give me more AP over time than potency? I am a DW Warrior with Season 2 offhand, (1.5 Speed) and I have Flurry specced.

Commentaire de 47946

Very odd decision to have this decrease with level seeing as it's just a fixed amount of attack power. The way to nerf it would be to just have BETTER enchants available at 70...

Commentaire de 45811

I've tested Crusader on a Lionheart Executioner, which has a similar proc called Lionheart (100 strength for 10 seconds, but no healing effect)..

The Crusader proc is 60 str at level 70 (120 AP for Warriors and Paladins). It seems to proc much more frequently than Lionheart, lasts longer, and both procs can be active at the same time, so the procs don't appear to be exclusive or share a hidden cooldown.

Crusader can also proc back-to-back, which I have not seen with Lionheart yet, so Crusader does not appear to have a hidden cooldown. However I don't know if there is a limit on the number of procs in a given time period. As the weapon is fairly slow, I've not yet observed either proc stacking with itself, but will report back if I do.

The Crusader glow is also much more attractive on such a pretty blade than the more common TBC enchants like Savagery or Mongoose, and compliments this blade's Lionheart proc very well, in my opinion of course.

Commentaire de Snikmord

Note that the recipe for Crusader says "occasionally", while the enchant says "often".

Commentaire de Artinz

I have compared this enchant to the only related enchant to it in the strenght aspect, Potency http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=27972. Now I decided to compare them on a weapon with 1.7 attack speed and one with 2.7 attack speed.

1.7 Attack speed

With a 1.7 attack speed, Crusader has a %3.094 chance to proc. And, with 1.7 speed you will get about 35 hits per minute. So, you should only get one Crusader proc per minute, lasting for 15 seconds in which you have +100 strength. So in those 15 seconds, you should get about 9 hits in. Those 9 hits in total give you 1800 bonus attack power. So every minute you should get 1800 bonus attack power.

Potency, with 35 hits in a minute, will give you 1400 bonus attack power. So, potency will give you 1400 bonus attack power per minute.

1.7 Attack speed w/ Reckoning

Reckoning is a paladin protection spec spell only available to people that have put talent points into it. I have done the calculations with 5 points in reckoning giving a %10 chance to proc. I used an enemy attack speed of 2.8, so you should be hit 22 times a minute. This would mean reckoning should proc about once every 2 minutes. However, there is only a %2.3 chance that Crusader and reckoning will proc together.

So Crusader with reckoning you would get 13 hits instead of 9 because of the 4 extra reckoning hits. This would be 2600 bonus attack power, instead of 1800.

So if reckoning procced with potency you would get 1560 bonus ap instead of 1400.

So my conclusion is...
Crusader is a better investment for PvE because PvE fights usually last longer so a bigger chance of a crusader proc.

Potency is more useful in PvP because fights are shorter and crusader might not proc, but you still want the enchant effects.

Commentaire de 47151

It's 1 block value for 20 strength, so as others have noted the crusader proc isn't really going to help you out much as far as Shield Slam goes at 70 -- you'll probably get more threat from the increased AP with white damage than you will anything else, and as far as mitigation goes a couple extra block for a few seconds won't save much healer mana, especially not in comparison with the large boost in your dodge and armor rating that you'd get from Mongoose for roughly the same amount of time. The healing you get from Crusader was mediocre at 60 -- at 70, honestly, it's laughable, and if you want to go that route you're better off with Battlemaster (which incidentally I just put on my King's, and am liking so far). Of course, at 70 Crusader is a cheap option, especially if you farm your own mats.

Now, as for that 20 agi enchant, this gives a small but constant amount of dodge, armor, and crit%. The last of these is frowned upon for stacking on tanks, but then again threat is threat, and a small amount of crit% is (very roughly) about as reliable as a huge amount of crit coming from a low weapon proc % (although Mongoose likely wins the threat fight with the weapon speed boost). As far as mitigation, I call it even, so the slight threat edge likely makes Mongoose still more attractive over 20 agi, although incredibly more expensive.

Now, the thing is, TSE is a mitigation weap. Use it in places you need dodge (hard hitting bosses or mobs: Prince, Gruul, the giants in heroic SV, etc.). If you have the luxury of switching between it and King's Defender, I'd put an enchant that boosts mitigation on TSE (and I say go with a threat enchant like Potency or Battlemaster on King's, what with its hit rating). Given that we've seen that Crusader isn't much for mitigation, I'd go with Mongoose on a TSE, or 20 agi if Mongoose isn't an option. But the difference between the two is like the difference between 12 dodge or 12 agi on your Devilshark (with Crusader the 120 armor option -- not a horrible idea, but not really all that great either).

Commentaire de 93630

I would like to know, would this enchant proc while using the whirlwind effect on the <Ravager> Axe, drop from Herod in Scarlet Monastery? If it does still proc while in that move, man we have a winner.

You would have high proc rate because of the constantly fast spins during the whirlwind effect, and your HP, and STR would be boosted guaranteed during the time that you are spinning and so on until attack move is over, so it would only take a few swings until it will kick in. Also, is this a good paladin enchant? Please Answer, thx.

Commentaire de 48793

I would suggest this enchant to any fury dual wield warriors. I have been using Vindicator's Brand (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29124) and Gladiator's Quickblade (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28307) both with this enchant in Karazhan and the proc rate is amazing! I'd choose Crusader over Potency for raids any day (dual wielding executioner/mongoose is probably better but i'm broke >.<) i can get well over 2.5k AP (self buffs only) on boss fights with crusader (+60 str often procs twice) i would recommend Potency for any tanks/shammies but for fury warriors dual wielding crusader is the way to go (the proc rate doesn't decrease after lvl 60....only the amount of str) as for PvP Potency might be better but i have not tried it out yet

Commentaire de 119742

In response to Slanter i would like to say that he states that Lifestealing takes way 130dmg and heals you for 130. However, it does so only for 30 making his math inconclusive

Commentaire de dainer09

I agree to a point here with your statement. I personally still love crusader as a fury warrior in raids, however, I use potencey in my off hand since the proc rate of crusader in the off hand isnt that great. The constant 40 from potencey, i have found, is better overall dps

Edit: this was supposed to be a reply to Gurthang70's post >.<

Commentaire de 124449

Will this be able to proc for druids?

Commentaire de 96630

Yes can proc for every class, druid will just get lower Proc rate and cant proc in Bear, Dire Bear or Cat form...

Commentaire de 125575

Can this proc along with Mongoose's Lighting speed?
or they have shared hidden cooldown and non at time proccable?

Commentaire de SpareiChan

I would like to note that when i had this on only 1 weapon i had "Holy Strength" proc as many times as about 5-6 in a min... i believe that blizz has 'de'nerfed the ppm on this, infact i have it proc on my shaman 3 times in 1 swing with windfury.

Commentaire de siggboy

Your Average DPS from Crusader (weapon independent)

If you're a class that gets 2 AP per STR (e.g. Paladin or Warrior), this is how many DPS you will get, on average, from Crusader:

The enchantment procs about once per minute, with an effect duration of 15 seconds (= 25% of a minute). So, assuming that it never re-procs (overwriting itself), you will have an average gain of 25 STR from the enchantment. In reality it will be less than that because a re-proc does not add 15 seconds uptime to the buff, it merely refreshes the total uptime to 15 seconds.

25 STR = 50 AP = 3.6 DPS

This is for the ideal case where the effect never refreshes itself and you always make full use of the effect duration.

For comparison, Fiery Weapon procs 6 times per minute, for 240 damage per 60 seconds or 4 DPS (and it can crit, so it will actually be more than that), which is more than the average benefit from Crusader in the ideal scenario.

Consequently, if you don't want or need the self heal from Crusader, you should go with Fiery Weapon to increase your DPS. If you want heals to decrease your downtime, go with Crusader.

Disclaimer: The above is purely concerned about your average DPS gain from the enchantment. Crusader gives high burst DPS in addition to a heal, and it also increases your block. Situationally this might be preferred (maybe in PvP or when tanking or AoE grinding). If you're looking for a reliable average increase in DPS then Fiery Weapon is superior to Crusader.
The above also does not take into account a possible increased proc rate from buffs such as Windfury Totem, extra swings from Reckoning, Flurry Axe etc. On the other hand, your alternatives such as Fiery and LS will benefit from extra attacks as well, and more reliably so (direct damage instead of possibly overwriting their own effect prematurely).

Commentaire de 144159

I'm not sure if I've just been very lucky, but with my rogue (level 19 twink) I got Crusader with allmost all my backstabs and ambushes.. about 50/50.

Commentaire de Snikmord

Note that the formula for Crusader says "occasionally", while the enchant says "often".

Commentaire de 153659

I have read above that this can proc on all abilities, this would make it incredibly good for hunters, and probably other classes as well that have an instant without cooldown like wing clip.

Commentaire de naden

Just found it twice in 3 kills, after about 20 minutes of farming.

Location was WPL on the Spellbinders.

Commentaire de Invasion

Does this proc in Cat/Dire Bear Form?

Commentaire de souljah90

i'm puting LIFESTEALING nd CRUSADER on my weapons
cruel barb - CRUSADER
theives blade - LIFESTEALING
is this i good choice since they both are very good enchants nd heal.........im lvl 19 by the way

Commentaire de Hordetiger

i was wondering what would be the best enchant for a 49 twink warrior using a taran icebreaker. crusader or lifesteal?

Commentaire de NightmareMJ

Best enchant for enhancement shaman untill 60 when its effectiveness drops alot.

for 40-59 this is ultra premium ability, the massive atk power bonus helps your mana regen greatly increases your spelldamage/shocks/healing spells. It's heal DOES seem to be affected by the shaman mental quickness talent's spell damage bonus as it regularly heals me for over the listed heal, but conversely it also sometimes only heals me for the minimum as well. the heal can and will crit if you have spell crit for your character. I see this becoming a powerful enchant for twinks in lichking with the "crit rating" change to affect all forms of crit on your gear with crit rating making highlander's gear very useful.

It CAN multi proc from extra attacks as in a double heal, but you still only get a refreshed buff, duel wielding it will usually be up every mob and at least 3 times per minute of continuous attacking :)
The most i've seen it up however is roughly 6 times per 60 sec period using 2.4-2.7 speed weapons, however it is usually 3 times per 60 sec period. Storm strike will proc it but I cannot tell if windfury hits are procing it.

*note: I have VERY high hit rating for my level so I rarely get misses, if you have no + hit at all you will probably see quite a few less procs and likely never my 6 procs per min. over 10% hit currently but steadily dropping as i level.

Commentaire de 97492

Nobody seemed to mention that just like all things in the entire game the proc rate depends on luck. the percentage chance that it has is per swing, you could be lucky enough to get a proc every swing or you could never have it proc. the game rolls a random number, checks it against the chance to proc and that decides if it procs or not.

(could b wrong but i think that's how all things are in the game).

Commentaire de 92993

With the new heirloom items coming in WotLK this will probably become the most popular enchant for the melee items.
The heirloom items can only be enchanted with enchants that work on ilvl 1 items so no savagery, sunfire, battlemaster etc for these items.

Commentaire de dragonplet

Minor Beastslayer enchant is way over price on my server XD
i all ways take fiery wep its much better and Cooler and it give 40 Fire damage to ur taget
Fiery wep wil come more one a 2H wep then a 1H wep but slmost all 1H wep hit more then a 2H wep
But Crusader is Better and it heals u 75-125 and give 100+Strength for 15 sec and if ur 60+ it only give 60% of what it nomal do (60+Strength).... It comes in form´s now =D

Mats to Minor Beastslayer is:
Strange Dust (4) <-----------------> 10s-50s (my server)
Greater Magic Essence (2) <--> 10s-2g Ea (my server)
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=7786

Mats to fiery wep is:
Small Radiant Shard (4) <-----> 99s-8g Ea (my server)
Essence of Fire (1) < ---------- > 10s-90s Ea (my server)
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=13898

Mats to Crusder is:
Large Brilliant Shard (4) <-------> 2g-7,50g Ea (my server)
Righteous Orb (2) <---------------->25g-65g Ea (my server)
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=20034

Hope it helped
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Commentaire de 95292

Crusader procs in cat/bear form (Patch 3.02)

I suppose any form :)

Commentaire de 232710

this is awesome on two destinys using titans grip

Commentaire de 237177

Umm did they change the glow?

Commentaire de Greyskin

Have anybody confirmed the buff it gives at 80?

I really would love if they changed it back to the 60 values. I dont really see any reason not to.

Commentaire de 131187

No, in fact it seemed to be nerfed even more when I put it on a blue axe while leveling to 80.

Gave me like 33str and healed in the 40's

Commentaire de iwashere35

my lvl 19 twink rogue 2 shoted a hunter with 600 hp when crusaer stacked

Commentaire de 268676

Has anyone figured out what the strength bonus reduction is at lvl 80? Since Blizz changed Greater Potency to attack power, I've been looking for another tanking weapon enchant and was wondering if this could work.

Commentaire de 282944

how much gold sould i pay 4 this enchant on my weapon?

Commentaire de wese

Best melee enchant for Heirloom weapons.

Commentaire de Quaeras

Picked this up for a DK alt out of fancy.

On Khadgar:

20g for 4 shards. 30g for 2 orbs.

50g in enchanting mats for those wondering.

Be kind to your tradeskill folks and tip big, this pattern isn't all that common. I tipped 50g.

Commentaire de Kalmoti

Heals for 18 & increases strength by 20 (rounded up from 19.5) at level 80.

Commentaire de Archivist

Applies the buff Holy Strength, for those who need the name for an addon, want to see the buff icon, or see proc specifics.

Commentaire de Krume

When this procs as a pally it seems to increase the healing done by

At level 29 the healing effect of went from 34 up to 55

Commentaire de 11591

Can someone confirm recent drop from Scarlet Archmages? Trying to farm it for 3 days, killed about 250 of them and still no luck :(

Commentaire de 240606

On my lvl 80 prot warrior this enchant, when it procs, gives 21 str and heals between 15 and 23 HP, average 19.

Not worth it, but it still looks good :)

Commentaire de Abomb

will it stack with shadow oil?

Commentaire de 318863

patch 3.0, this enchants WORKS chance on hit while on cat/bear form. not sure whats the proc rate yet,
this is nice for leveling a druid since druids get no BoA weapon for feral spec. currently using a "..of power" staff, which grants 30+ ap with this enchant on it.

Commentaire de Wartem

Does + haste make this proc more often?

Commentaire de ryanred500

lol, i picked up the mats for like 20g

Great enchant

This with +15 agi in OH is the best set up i think

Commentaire de 417842

Does this proc with cat form on a druid?

Commentaire de 423089

I am trying to make an level 60 paladin for AV, would someone please give me tips about enchant for tanking the bosses there, since I´m main DPS but I am going to use the dual-spec. I dont want to spend much money buying expensive enchants for tanking, is this one the best for me to choose? And does it have reduced effect on the bosses in AV, such as Galvangar? (wich I kinda now it does, but a confirm would be nice). Thank you :)

Commentaire de 195614

level 71 fury warrior with no +% str talents, abilities, etc. The enchant says it has a reduced effect after level 60. The proc healed me for 65 and gave me 56 strength.

Commentaire de PHOENIXZERO

Maybe it's just me but Crusader seems to be proccing A LOT more on my BoA geared Pally than it was before 3.2 just like I've read Blade Ward and Mongoose (probably some others) have too. Crusader is being activated just as frequent or close to the frequency as my main's Greatness trinket.

Commentaire de 73568

Its worth noting for you pallies: the 10% from the Kings buff is applied AFTER this 100 strength buff, making Kings a better choice than Might IMO.

As tested @ level 32: My strength unbuffed is 148. When Crusader procs, its 248. I buffed Kings while Crusader proc was active, and found my total strength to be 273 (248 x 1.1 = 273).

Commentaire de wtfoomnofair

Today on my rogue i enchanted this on a heirloom.
I usually pull mobs with throw.
Today Holy strength procced by throw.
It might help to say that it was a critter and i one-shotted it.

Can any hunter confirm that i proccs with ranged attacks?

Commentaire de 546488

+100 strength also means +50 block value for warriors (and paladins?), allthough i'm not sure about the damage it mitigates.

Commentaire de 301127

What are best for a rogue:
Enchant: Balanced Heartseekerx2 with 15 agilityx2 , totally 30 agility.

Or

Enchant: Balanced Heartseekerx2 with Crusaderx2?

Commentaire de 536265

Proc (programmed random occurence) will compensate for heavier weapons that take longer to hit. Keep this in mind, Crusader is the strongest <60 twink enchant out there.

Commentaire de g2g591

In wrath, this enchant is AMAZING for leveling druid tanks. It has a chance to proc for each target hit by swipe. I had it proc at least 4 times in one pull (3-5 targets) in RFD.

Commentaire de wowogamer

Back in 2008 Eliel did make a comment explaining why Crusader usually is better than Lifestealing. I will simply quote him as he explains it pretty well:

People on the Lifestealing bandwagon seem to be forgetting some very major things.

1. The value of Crusader procs scale as your gear gets better (ie: you get more crit, more hit, expertise). Lifestealing is a flat damage number (adjusted by VERY few talents/abilities) that can crit. If all you're wearing is a grey weapon or two, Lifestealing may be better, but if you actually go out of your way to get an enchant like Crusader/Lifestealing, and can't choose between the two, in general Crusader will be better.

2. Both Crusader and Lifestealing can proc off special attacks, but only Crusader actually increases the damage of those special attacks. That is why a lot of the math in these comments in horribly incomplete - there is not a melee dps class that will only auto-attack during the 15 seconds of Crusader buff, so any maths that assumes that is useless.

3. For Paladins, the Str bonus scales with Blessing of Kings, Divine Str, Crusade, Two-Hand spec, Precision, Imp Sanc Aura and Vengeance and Avenging Wrath in terms of passives, and auto-attack, Seal of Blood/Command and Crusader Strike damage will be increased.

4. For Warriors, it scales with Enrage, Duel-wield spec, Flurry, Berserker Stance/Improved Berserker Stance, Vitality, Two-Hand spec, Precision, Impale, Death Wish and Deep Wounds in terms of passives (man that's a long list). All special attacks that don't have fixed damage will have their damage increased.

5. For Shamans, it scales with Flurry, Elemental Weapons talent, Weapons Mastery, Unleashed Rage, all the +hit talents, and increases the value of Mental Quickness and Shamanistic Rage. It increases the damage of auto-attack, Windfury Weapon and Stormstrike, and will indirectly affect Shock spells, Lightning Bolt and Chain Lightning because of Mental Quickness.

6. For rogues, who only get 100 AP bonus, it scales with Imp Evis, Murder, Lethality, Imp Kidney Shot, Find Weakness, Precision, Duel-Wield spec, Blade Flurry, Aggression, Weapons Expertise, Surprise attacks, Opportunity, Serrated Blades, Hemmorage (both the attack and the debuff), Master of Subtlety, Deadliness, Sinister Calling and the Shadowstep buff you get after use. Of course, it affects auto-attack and pretty much all special attacks that do damage.

There is a reason why people in 60 raiding guilds didn't use Lifestealing - it doesn't measure up. Agility for Hunters (who shouldn't be meleeing often) and twink Rogues, Crusader for the rest, until you start hitting BC enchants.

Last edited by Eliel on 07/05/2008 (Patch 2.4.2)

Original post to be found here: http://www.wowhead.com/item=16254#comments

Commentaire de 282631

At 4% reduced effectiveness per level, at level 85 this should be +0 strength and +0 healing, making this hands down the worst enchant in the game for an 85, even below Tueur de bête mineur.

At level 90 I predict you will lose 20 strength and take damage when it procs.

Commentaire de giantgrape

does this even drop since the mobs have been lvl nerfed?
also, when using %'s u never reach 0, just a lil fyi.

Commentaire de timbazi

Crit heals are possible.

Crit healed my 60 lvl shaman for 181

Commentaire de kabookiejoe

3 of these in my first 15 kills of the archmages, i assume the drop has been upped, or i am extremely lucky

Commentaire de 411718

I`m leveling a dk atm and i have Faucheuse en arcanite ensanglantée with Croisé , and the question is should i change the Croisé with some dk rune enchant and if yes pls tell me what would be the best dk enchant for unholy dk.

Commentaire de 222146

From my reading and experience, DKs don't usually need enchants. Rune du Croisé déchu, should be your version of Crusader.

This statement is based on my experience leveling three DKs, mostly by questing but with enough dungeon time to know I can keep up with most DPS. I see you have heirloom gear, so that should help also. I say save the enchant decision until you start raiding. Just my two silvers.

Commentaire de averagem4n2

Since Cata came out the place where you originally farmed for the Crusader pattern is different now. Do the guys still drop it at this area in Western Plaguelands?

Commentaire de 822061

Drops from Scarlet Archmage, took about 10 kills to get the recipe. But another char took 2-3hours. So gl to farming!

Commentaire de azihwon

I CAN confirm that this effect can stack three, and possibly more than that times. I was duel weilding boa weapons with this on them, mh sword and 1h mace, and once I got a double stack, I switched to a reforged truesilver champion which also had crusader on it, and I was lucky enough to get three applications at once, making my attack power of 197 go up to over 600. (level 19 fury warrior)

Commentaire de 1018153

As of patch 5.4 9/23/13 the tool tip now reads as follows

"Permanently enchant a melee weapon to often heal for 100 and increase Strength by 100 for 15 sec. when attacking in melee. Has a reduced effect for players above level 60."

No more 75 - 124 healing, it's just 100.

Commentaire de gbalkam

I just want to add a comment, since I see posts by rogues and ~~hunters~~ on here about this enchant. Rogues, ~~hunters~~ *hunters really cant use this enchant, since they don't carry 'stat sticks' any more*, feral and guardian druids should NOT be using this enchant. ALL agility based DPS classes should be using Mangouste (Scaled this is 90 agility and 22 haste at level 1-60) and takes full value at level 61. For a rogue, for example, as of this patch date, 90 agility = 180 attack power plus haste (energy regen and attack speed), making this FAR superior for agility classes than Crusader.

Dancing steel is far more expensive, procs the same real proc per minute BUT only procs for 62 agility and no haste.
Now, even if you pay 750g x2 for 2 mongoose for your boa.. you only have to do it ONCE.. a one time investment.

If you are doing a level 1 twink dps, I suggest elemental force, it does 90 to 110 elemental damage, and level 1 twinks stack hit, exp and crit. Properly geared and enchanted, a level 1 rogue can take down a level 19 with ease, depending on how much hit/exp you can usually go up to lv24 pvp and 34+ mobs (like beasts to level skinning) *Hogger is a joke to a level 1 twink rogue*

**Footnote... I remember back in the day when I first started, we used to form parties of 3 to 5 level 10-12s to kill hogger for that quest. I kind of wish they would un-nerf him, it was really fun forming groups to take that pig down. LOL

Commentaire de corners

This is still one of the better enchants for leveling through vanilla content, after all these years.

Commentaire de Skullhawk13

ATTENTION

Still gives a full 100 strength. Despite stat squish. This is confirmed. Your dps will be overkill to the extreme.

Those level five kobolds won't know what hit them.

Commentaire de Wownomo

Doesn't Proc Anymore?

I've been playing around with an heirloom weapon enchanted with Crusader on a fresh level 1 paladin and I haven't seen it proc once. I'm very familiar with this proc from years ago when this was the go to "twink" enchant because of it's lack of ilevel requirement. Throughout Wrath and Cata all my strength alts used the same 2H Axe w/ Crusader mailed back and forth between them. Around level 5 I noticed I wasn't seeing that proc and so I paid close attention while I only used Crusader Strike to kill mobs for the net several levels and nope, not once did it go off.

Since MoP and the change to enchants so they scale down Elemental ForceForce élémentaire has been the go to twink enchant even for casters and it's worked great, but I wanted to get old Crusader a go again because I was making a new Pally and was feeling nostalgic.

I did a basic Google and checked some WoW sites and couldn't find any mention of a change for this enchant. So I'm just leaving my experience here.

Commentaire de togahsisoka

At least as of BFA, you can *NOT* use this enchant on a Starter/Trial account.

I know this because I let my subscription lapse and figured I'd just set up a set of lvl 20 pvp toons for teh lulz and gave 6 of this chant to a warrior I created before my sub ran out. When I finally had some decent blue weapons, I could not use the enchants. It states:

"Not Available for Starter Accounts"

Commentaire de kallell

You want some odds? Some real odds? None of the LOL ROFLCOPTERS I GOT IT ON MY 2ND KILL &*!@?

Let me tell you. Just for the sake of stats, I have some numbers. I wanted to farm this for gold initially but figured i'd stick it out for better numbers. 1 in 12 doesn't help anyone in this thread. Stop that $%^&. People got both bindings in a run as well, doesn't mean everyone going to MC is going to get it.

Anyway. I got my first drop at 1250 kills.

I'm at 2600 now, and I haven't gotten another. I'm going to farm this until i get a second, weather that be at 3k, 5k, or even 10k (i'll uninstall the game if i hit this number).

But ya, you aren't going to get it after clearing the tower once. Hunker in and prepare yourself for the long haul.

*!@# this enchant.

Commentaire de bennymoo18

As of today... the tooltip shows only 43 strength but this is in fact WRONG. procs 100 strength still on my level 1.

Commentaire de WAR93

Used this on my Fury warrior while leveling... I am unkillable and if both weapons proc the Strength buff I one shot anything less than an Elite enemy the Strength buff is 100 not the 46 (I think) 15 out of 10 definitely would use again to level Fury Warrior with these again.

Commentaire de EXPERIMENTONGOD

The tooltips in Wowhead and in-game about this enchant are WRONG; Crusader's effect doesn't scale with level. The proc is once again always 100 strength as it was in original vanilla WoW.

This is what the (wrong) tooltip for the enchant says in-game as of patch 9.1:

"Permanently enchant a melee weapon to often heal for 46 and increase Strength by 46 for 15 sec when attacking in melee. Has a reduced effect for players above level 49. Cannot be applied to items higher than level 50."

Looks like Blizzard forgot to "flip the switch" on this one.

It has full effect from level 1 up to level 49 (the equivalent to level 119 pre-Shadowlands squish), that's the highest it's ever scaled to post-vanilla as far as I know.

So if you put this on a heirloom weapon, you can have the "good old" FULL 100 strength Crusader buff from level 1 up until level 49. That's 200 (!) strength when dual wielding if you get procs from both weapons, which is quite insane. My fury Warrior is blowing mobs up at level 14 when you unlock Titan's Grip. He's doing 4x the other DPS' damage in dungeons.

This enchant has never been better than it is today. Put this on a heirloom weapon and go to town leveling Warriors/Paladins/DKs

Edit: After some testing, it seems the enchant stops proc'ing altogether once you reach level 50.

Edit 2: It stacks with Compétences d'armure, so from level 27 to 49 it gives 105 strength (!)

Commentaire de PyriteFrenzy

This does work in Timewalking, but above level 50 in Timewalking dungeons it does not give 100 strength. It seems to give the advertised 47 strength. Tested in Cataclysm Timewalking.

Commentaire de HrdScp

Dropped today without enchanting if anyone was curious

Commentaire de Sashawile

I can confirm that it only gives 14 str at level 10 now. Force sacrée
A very sad day for my prot paladin twink, indeed!

Commentaire de NagisaStreams

I had been using this on warriors in shadowlands while leveling, but the dragonflight ilvl changes make it really annoying to put this enchant on anything.

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Croisé

Croisé	Niveau 80

2 s d'incantation

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Bâtonnet runique d’enchantement

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Grand éclat brillant (4), Orbe de piété (2)

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Enchant Item: [Croisé] (1900)
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