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Série

1.	Un peu trop près à mon goût… Juste à temps
2.	Faire le mur
3.	Enlèvement
4.	L'inquisition boréenne
5.	L'art de la persuasion
6.	Rapporter les informations
7.	Une course contre la montre
8.	Reforger la clé

Suite de quêtes
Toundra Boréenne Le jour de l'incorporation L'époque est aux héros Le siège La mort vient d'en haut Boucher les puisards Un soldat dans le besoin Des sectateurs parmi nous Avertir Arlos Les ennemis de la Lumière Approfondir l'enquête La chasse est ouverte L'armée, quelle armée ? Une preuve pernicieuse Un ouvrage de référence Il est temps d'agir Ne prenons pas de risques Technologie reconvertie Les fruits de notre travail Une dernière livraison Des armes pour Comté-Lointaine Appel aux armes ! Thassarian, mon frère Feu William Allerton Objets trouvés In vino veritas Un déserteur Des lâches et des imbéciles La veillée de Hurlenfer La défense du bastion Chanteguerre La défense du bastion Chanteguerre La défense du bastion Chanteguerre Le ciel saura Le point d'ébullition Granules des enragés Retourner voir la spirite Vision de l'Air L'esprit du long-voyant Marche-sinistre Kaganishu Rapatrier mes restes Reprendre la carrière de pierres de pouvoir Assécher la source Le maître du vent To'bor Un tour en tapis volant Un char, ça s'répare pas tout seul Le transbidulotron pneumatique pour char de Mobu Des plaques de métal ultra-résistantes ! Le char l'attend Les plaines de Nasam Vérités tues Les secrets nérub'ar Un message pour Hurlenfer Et voilà les renforts... Les fermes chanteguerre Rallier Getry Opération absurde Spore-sang merveilleuse ! Le pollen à sa source Le serment de Karuk Gamel le Cruel Les paroles d'un père Le trident de Naz'jan L'émissaire Exposé de mission Aidez ceux qui ne peuvent pas s'aider eux-mêmes Khu'nok saura quoi faire Kaw le Destructeur de mammouths Nedar, seigneur des rhinos… « À la pêche aux palourdes, ils n'iront plus maman » Les confins Abandonnés Pas de ça chez nous Le sinistre maître des palourdes… Indignes de mourir La Sélectionneuse arrive L'assassinat de Harold Lane Surveiller la faille : l'anomalie de la falaise fendue Surveiller la faille : l'anomalie du gouffre scindé Surveiller la faille : les cavernes des Ailerons-d'hiver Faire le mur Enlèvement L'inquisition boréenne L'art de la persuasion Rapporter les informations Une course contre la montre Reforger la clé L'envol Au secours d'Evanor Jargon & dragons Traverser la faille Fou de baies Conserver le secret Entraînement de base L'éclosion d'un plan La chasse au drake Percer le code Bizarre… La cellule Keristrasza Appâter le dragon La fin de Saragosa Rassembler les rouges Déclencher le piège Le fils de Karkut Un cobaye adéquat Pas sans nous battre ! La sagesse de Muahit Que les esprits veillent sur nous Le vent tourne Les mécagnomes Transmatière à rire Allez voir Bixie Super… des Magnataures pestiférés ! Il se passe quelque chose dans ces grottes Zut, Bricole est entrée dans la nécropole ! On pourrait aussi bien éradiquer le Fléau Je suis coincée dans cette maudite cage… mais pas pour longtemps ! Prévenez Bixie Retour à la piste d'atterrissage Stupides Frigbolds joufflus ! Encore quelques bricoles… Ha ! Z'êtes plus si grands que ça maintenant ! Plan B C'était les Orcs, j'vous jure ! Le re-maudisseur Savez-vous planter les clous ? Le maître des rouages Trouver le pilote la Vrille Un peu de piquant Lupus Pupus Protocole d'urgence : section 8.2, paragraphe C Protocole d'urgence : section 8.2, paragraphe D Informez Spumelevier Reconnaissance des puisards Faire carburer le projet L'habit fera le mammouth Déployez le Sismo-trembleur ! Apprendre à communiquer Commercer avec les Ailerons-d'hiver Jamais sans mes têtards Eux ! Mon teinturier est un maître-chanteur Grmmurggll Mrllggrl Glrggl !!! Un ragoût d'épaulard succulent Le costume de rechange Reddition... ou pas ! Le maître des clés Urmgrgl L'évasion des cavernes des Ailerons-d'hiver Encerclés ! Thassarian, le chevalier de la mort Trouver le phylactère Gagner un peu de temps Mots de pouvoir Derniers sacrements L'invasion de Gammoth Gammothra le Tourmenteur Les trophées de Gammoth Le champion de Hurlenfer Charge la mule ! La puissance des éléments Quelques réparations Reconnaissance des puisards Le cœur des éléments Le cor de fureur élémentaire L'effondrement La sage Haute-mesa a disparu Une mort décente Mettre fin à la peste Trouvez Corne-dressée La nécropole écrasée Le docteur et le seigneur-liche Transmettre les mauvaises nouvelles Que préparent-ils ? Maîtrisez l'orage Vulnérables à la foudre Les âmes dé-maudites Nettoyer les bassins Les sous-chefs Abattre le maître des rouages Le voile du Fléau La mauvaise terre Se fondre dans le paysage La chute de Taunka'le La traversée de Transborée

Captures d'écran

Vidéos

Commentaires

Commentaire de 1440987

L'art de la persuasion http://youtu.be/a-voy2Qq_jU

Commentaire de Boxofbeer

L'art de la persuasion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb-YhLBZiGs

Commentaires

Commentaire de Moonfeather

Takes 5 uses of the needler to get the information you need.

Commentaire de adashiel

Might be bugged now, but I dont have the item to enslave them anymore so i cant get prisoners to complete this on

You don't need to enslave another sorcerer. There should be an Ensorceleur de Béryl emprisonné sitting in the chair right next to Bibliothécaire Normantis. You're to use the needler on him.

Commentaire de cawfee

And if you're a complete bastard, you can keep using the Needler on him even after he confessed for some more dialogue lines.

Commentaire de 55557

The Imprisoned Beryl Sorcerer is just beside the questgiver sitting in a chair. Simply find/use Neural Needler, provided upon accepting the quest, five times and the quest will complete.

Dialogue:

Pathetic fool! A servant of malygos would sooner die than aid an emeny...
Aargh! Do your worst, <class>! I'll tell you NOTHING!
Aahhhh! Release me! I am of no use to you. I swear it!
Stop! I beg you, pleae stop. Please....
(Quest Completion) -- Alright! I am beaten. Your previous archmage is held in a prison, elevated and sealed. Even if you manage to reach her, Salrand herself holds the key. Your mission is folly!
I've given you the information, <Race>! You're wasting your time....
Noooo! This tortue is inhumane! You have what you want... why don't you just kill me?

Commentaire de 231672

Using a device that "Inflicts pain... but does no permanent damage" bothers you people, but it doesn't bother you to kill HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people/animals/demons/whatever to get to this point in the game. It's a game, get over it or go play some mindless first person shooter with no story if you want your violence to be an end, not a means.

Commentaire de 231672

I also can't help but laugh at the hypocrisy of WoW players when it comes to treatment of prisoners. Everyone complains about this quest but I haven't heard a peep about this one which is the one I believe you were referring to when you said

Even a gnome in Wintergarde Keep has you murder a Vykul prisoner of war in his own jail cell while a dozen soldiers are entertained by his slow grisly demise.

I think you'll like my response to that quest :P

Commentaire de 274261

The quest is offensive because it implies that torture is effective.

Violence in wow can generally be placed under two categories that of:

Gratuitous violence: senseless, cathartic violence with no inherent gain such as killing critters, random beasts and random acts of violence. The game or quest does not imply there is any inherent reason for doing this you just want to do it.

Violence for strategic advantage: your side has told you to bomb, attack, murder the other side because you are at war with them and they have something you want or are going to do something to you or the people you care about. You are at war with them and if you don’t attack them, destroy their ships, wagons, supply chains it will be used on you or your lot.

Gratuitous violence in wow I do not find objectionable as there does not appear to be a subtext implying that such acts in the real world are ok.

However it is important to point out most violence in wow in particularly narrative/quest/story driven violence tends to be justified in some sort of ethical framework implying that if you do not go kill the infestation of boar/undead/demons/ect like the nice man with the question mark above his head is telling you to do people you care about will suffer.

The real world implications of content like this being in games is that without some sort of moral counter point such as the information being incorrect or the wizard asking you to do it being evil in some way it is implying that torture is ok.

I would not mind if the Scarlet Crusade asked my character to do such an act as the game has already established that this group is morally questionable and would serve as an appropriate counter point.

This is the first time I have felt strongly enough to post anything anywhere about wow on the net. I assume the post will be met with taunts such as ‘don’t like it dont play’, trolling, vitriol or worse still just get voted out of existence.

However I enjoy the cathartic nature of wow. I like this website and appreciate the people who take the time to post and add to it to make my gaming experience more enjoyable.

Apologize for how long this post is however this is something that I and my friends who play wow have been uncomfortable with since encountering wotlk and am glad this is being discussed on a community forum.

Thanks guys.

Commentaire de Gwiez

I find three parts or this quest disturbing, none of them are the violence. 1) torture is the only way to find Lady Evanor, when I just passed her prison out in the field. 2) the wizard pays someone else to torture his prisoner so he can pretend he didn't do it, 3) when torture isn't working, you torture more and it works, which is kind of not accurate.

And I'm not looking for World of Cuddlecraft. Stealing wolvar babies has got to be the most satisfyingly evil quest, but I don't think there's an underlying message that stealing babies is ok.

I mean seriously, out of all the prison boxes, there's one that isn't empty. I wonder who's in it. Instead of opening it, let's torture some random person you found nearby and see if they know where the prisoner is.

Commentaire de childofnewlight

Wow...I never thought a discussion like THIS would arise. I mean, I'm usually one of the more sensitive of players. I flinched as I did some of the DK starting quests and what not and have skipped some of the Apothecary quests back in Hillsbrad because I wasn't too fond of poisoning people...but in all honesty I found this quest FUN. Call me twisted, but the second time I did this quest I let my younger brother sit there and click the poker.

I mean seriously. Its not even graphic. The guy sits in a chair and spews off a few cheesy lines. And now you think this is a protest or support of torture? Its a game folks. I usually don't say that because I know in times past its #$%^ed me off...but really ITS A GAME.

Heck, I went up stairs and acquired a second poster from the vendor up there and poked him a few more times just for kicks.

I dare say, there aren't going to be many, if any kids walking away from this chaining their pet gerbils to chairs and stabbing them with curling irons until they speak. and I doubt many people are going to call their representatives up and say "Hey. The Kirin'Tor used torture. We should too!"

I mean really. Do you realize how many hundreds of thousands of people and animals you've killed to get to this point? How many of them ran in fear and yet you still chased them down and killed them? How many level 6 defias have you used to level up your new weapons? How many times have you ran through Wailing Caverns letting off wave after wave of AoE to clear cut mobs for a guildie?

Were you tortured via a magical poker as a child? :(

Honestly its fun. Why? Because its unrealistic. Just like Elmer Fudd getting the living daylights beaten out of him repeatedly by Bugs Bunny is amusing. Its not real. Its a release. Its amusing in an animated sense. Most people can separate the difference between pixels and real living beings.

Seriously, if you're complaining about this look at your skillbar. Think about how painful it'd be to have someone use rend on you, or set you on fire with immolate, or chuck massive bolts of frost at you, or kidney shot you, or maul your face off in bear form, or...you get the point.

Now imagine the hundreds of thousands of humanoids you've killed in various fashions for the last 70+ levels...

Maybe this isn't the game for you?

Commentaire de Novawolf

Rofl, these comments are ridiculous.

To 'garrote' someone means to drag a sharp or barbed wire across someone's throat and incur heavy bleeding or death.
To 'gouge' someone's eyes means to stick your thumbs (or any other foreign object) into someone's eye sockets to subdue them.
A 'sap' is a club-like item you use to beat someone over the head to knock them unconscious.
To 'eviscerate' means to disembowel.
Not to mention all the diseases to spread, kidneys to punch, dirt to throw around, information and precious items to steal, wars to start and end, fires to be set and enemies frozen and shattered...

And yet, you all complain about this simple little quest. /boggle

I think this quest was neat; it's something Blizz hasn't done before in letting the player actually get some much needed information.

I mean, it's not like Malygos is planning to kill all mortal magic users, right? Or torturing his own prisoners in the confines of The Nexus. This is all just senseless torture at no gain.

Oh wait.

/point
/laugh

Downrank if it makes you happy :p I did this out of spite and for fun, going around picking out all the 'graphic' things you do in this game. Enjoy.

Commentaire de Jonti

For anyone who doesn't want to do this for what ever reason, in total you'll give up around 85,000 xp, 20 Gold and 895 Kirin Tor rep. Plus the green level rewards from this quest: Rescuing Evanor
Sweltering Belt
Charred Treads
Glimmering Ringmail Gloves
Seething Waistguard

So no major plot lines, hubs or other character gimping will result from avoiding the torturing if you don't want to do it. And I think you can still complete the area quest achievements skipping these too.

Commentaire de 127706

I particularly found amusing the fact that the Neural Needler has "Made in Dalaran" written on it.

The Kirin Tor are supposedly "bound to a code of conduct" that frowns upon torture but you as an "outsider" are not bound to such restrictions and can thus do the dirty work for him - yet the instrument of torture was made in their very own city.

/facepalm

Commentaire de deathmac

I'm pretty sure there is mention of a Neural Needler in the Novel - Beyond the Dark Portal. Been a while since I read the book but I rememebered the part instantly when i did this quest. Something about Khadgar trying to ask a felorc for information but the fel orc just sat there grinning taunting him to torture , so Khadgar reluctantly resorted to the needler which, in the end worked.

Someone correct me if i got any of this wrong >.> if i remember i will pull the book out and put it word for word.

Commentaire de mayoff

You can finish Nothing Boring About Borean (Alliance) without doing this quest or the rest of the chain.

Commentaire de Jerodast

Is this quest and the followups necessary to get the Tundra achievement? As a sporadic RPer it would be somewhat amusing to refuse to do this quest on ethical grounds :)

Commentaire de karti

the ethic implications of this quest were what made me hesitate - i did complete it, but was wondering about:
A - what was blizz thinking when doing the quest?
trying to take away some of the horror we have when thinking about torture?
making us hesitate and think about our opinion to torture?
just doing a new kind of quest without thinking about ethics whatsoever?
B - what are other players thinking about the quest?

at least for B im pleased to see people dont just mindlessly do what they are told to in this game.
maybe they wont in real-life neither :)

Commentaire de 475607

Look, do you want the experience or not?

Commentaire de WitherVoice

This is one of two quests in the game that have given me pause. The other one is... hmm... Seeping Corruption.

Now, when working with the Forsaken this stuff seems to be par for the course... and all in all I'm OK with it. And the morality of the act of completing this quest in and of itself is also no concern of mine. However, it still makes me uncomfortable that it presents torture as useful for non-propaganda purposes. Torture is worthless for producing actionable intelligence; it is useful for producing lies. Making someone lie is extremely useful, so torture is not worthless, but this right here is akin to taking a perfectly useful saw and using it to hammer in nails with. Wrong tool for the job.

Commentaire de Chiakiakito

Just wanted to add something for the hell of it.

I play on an RP server and my character is a Holy priestess. It felt absolutely wrong to do this, even when I wasn't really rping her.
This quest makes you feel ten times crueller than killing countless mobs...

Commentaire de 720645

I don't know i just felt bad for this guy :(

Commentaire de 767150

I want the option of attacking the quest giver and using the needler on him and his friend.

Dropping this quest. No way am I completing it. It may be "just a game" filled with fantasy violence, but torture isn't "fantasy violence", it's something that happens in the real world right now, and it doesn't feel right to complete it. Each to his or her own, but I ain't doing it.

Commentaire de 766658

This quest made my Death Knight happy in his dark little heart. <3

Let's just say he was... thorough. Very, very thorough.

Edit: Discuss your character being upset (or yourself being upset) at this quest = upvote. Different take on it = downvote. Color me amused.

Commentaire de MiltiadesBooga

Considering the inquisition witch trials that took place here on da Erf, and the historial treatment of mages in Warcraft, I'm kind of wryly amused at these wizards acting like inquisitors.

I'm not sure if that counts as ironic or not. Damn you, Alanis Morrisette.

Commentaire de 919131

"Inflicts incredible pain to target, but does no permanent damage" and You call it "The Art of Persuasion" ?

Sickest.Quest.Ever.

Commentaire de cynisca

The Kirin Tor won't torture people... but they'll look away while you do it? And you use an interrogation instrument that was made in Dalaran? Intense!

Of course, as many people have pointed out, we do all sorts of horrid things in WoW. But I actually thought this was pretty grimdark because it's the Kirin Tor, you know? It definitely gives some insight into an organisation that seems rather principled otherwise.

Makes you wonder what happened to Kael and co. in the dungeons of Dalaran...

Commentaire de 1068569

This seriously disturbed me. I know, game and all, but I have a moral problem with this quest. It's the first one to make me actively uncomfortable instead of just grossed out or queasy.

Commentaire de homiebrah

This is a game. We kill things because we want what they have. Personally, I think the prisoner should have been waterboarded, but I'm undead, so no biggie.

Odd that the prisoner is supposed to be in the chair by the quest giver, but he wasn't sitting in it at all. Still used the device on the empty chair and it worked.

Commentaire de 123042

I don't know why there's no comment in this page mentioned this Prototype Neural Needler, which is sold upstairs, providing a way to continue the fun (if you feel so) after you complete this quest.

Commentaire de 1440987

The Art of Persuasion http://youtu.be/a-voy2Qq_jU

Commentaire de Shortzo

It's one of those 'for the greater good' things.

If it made you uncomfortable - good! you're not a psychopath.

philosophically, though: can it be justified to torture one, to prevent the torturing of many? discuss ~

Commentaire de WoWGnGP

I made i playthrough of this quest if anyone wish to see how to do it :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-2Th6SiSAc

Commentaire de 1420484

This quest is bugged on this patch, the npc doesn't say anything but after a few shocks the completion is given anyway.

Commentaire de Boxofbeer

The Art of Persuasion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb-YhLBZiGs

Commentaire de Dramfiolz

As of Legion, Librarian Normantis has been kicked out of the Kirin Tor and is now known as Normantis le Détrôné. He lives in a cave in Azsuna, torturing and killing blue dragons and yelling about how he wants revenge on them for killing his friends in Northrend. I wonder if he lost his position because of his actions on this quest, having adventurers do the dirty work that the Kirin Tor officially disapproves of.

Commentaire de LoqueNahak

As a lightforged paladin this quest really doesn't fulfill the "class fantasy"...

Commentaire de Sharwyn

People playing warlocks have a spell Agony...AGONY! and yet they dont want to finish this quest cause it torture...talk about being a hypocrite.

Commentaire de Taurenmoo814U

this quest has been changed to be 'less offensive'. Before, you were handed to burning hot iron robs you have to equip and torture the sorcerer with until he confessed.

blizzard changed it to the neural needler to convey less of a graphic sense.. you know, in the expansion that had flesh giants made from the flesh of women and children..

Liens

L'art de la persuasion

Le Bibliothécaire Normantis de l'Escarpement d'Ambre vous demande d'utiliser l'Aiguillonneur neural sur l'Ensorceleur de Béryl emprisonné jusqu'à ce qu'il révèle où se trouve dame Evanor.

	Prisonnier interrogé (1)

Objet fourni :

	Aiguillonneur neural (1)

Description

Quelle chance que vous soyez là, <race>.

Vous comprenez, le code de conduite du Kirin Tor désapprouve certaines mesures « extrêmes », et ce même dans des situations aussi désespérées que celle-ci.

Vous, cependant, qui n'êtes pas des nôtres, n'êtes pas <soumis/soumise> à de telles restrictions, vous pouvez donc prendre toutes les mesures nécessaires à l'obtention des informations.

Faites votre devoir. Il faut que nous sachions où dame Evanor est détenue immédiatement !

Pendant ce temps, je vais m'occuper en rangeant mes étagères. Oh, peut-être que vous trouverez une quelconque utilité à ce vieil objet, ici...

Achèvement

Récompenses

Vous recevrez :

Gains

Lors de l'achèvement de cette quête vous gagnerez :

150 points de réputation avec Kirin Tor

Vérifiez si vous l'avez déjà terminé en tapant :

/run print(C_QuestLog.IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(11648))