Opinion: Is Healing a Cosmetic Role in Mythic+? - 4 DPS & No Healer Keys

Live Posted 2023/04/07 at 5:45 PM by tettles

IntroductionZmokthisNerf's 28 Court of StarsMDIThe IssueAutomaticJakJdotbNaguuraTop 1000 runs in the worldCauses of This Problem

Healing in dungeons: Healing just as a concept is very weird in M+ dungeons. Infrequently is there consistent AOE damage, meaning more often than not, healers have nothing to heal in a dungeon outside of the tank. This allows them to either optimize things such as DPS or CC. When talking to top healers, they typically cite that around 50% of their globals are spent on healing. Whenever tanks are self sufficient like they are this season, this leaves very little to heal outside of very specific pulls or bosses. That ultimately allows you to get closer to non healer comps.

Healing "Checks": As discussed by Jak above, healing "checks" in dungeons are in a weird spot. The reason they are weird is because functionally they cannot exist with the current state of healer balance. If you think back to the beginning of the season, healers like Restoration Shaman struggled to heal 22 Tyrannical Raging Tempest on the MDI broadcast meanwhile Restoration Druid / Preservation Evokers were breezing through 25s. This creates a weird dynamic where the content is possible but challenging for some healers but near impossible for others. Ultimately this causes things such as Raging Tempest, Advisor Melandrus, and other similar bosses to get nerfed, making the "checks" more accessible for all healers (and potentially tanks).

Hybrid Healing: With the reworking of class talent trees, many of the hybrid DPS are able to do a large amount of healing with things such as Vampiric Embrace, Nature's Vigil, and Ancestral Guidance. These cooldowns coupled with healing specifically from Protection Paladin's Word of Glory allow for much of the healing in your dungeon to be covered.

Now this does not cover the whole thing, but typically Enhancement Shaman is the spec to bridge the gap between impossible to possible for this. They will frequently sacrifice utility in some capacity in order to run significantly more healing. Talenting things such as Chain Heal and Healing Stream Totem. The builds that amplify these abilities allow the Enhance + Paladin combo typically to be able to outheal the 1 or 2 healing "checks" you have per dungeon.

Is This An Issue?

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Comment by Robbiex0xI'm excited to see Jdotb's take on this post :DComment by jpm2621Prefer no need for healers.Comment by scopeljust because there's a few people who can do without a healer doesn't mean blizzard needs to fix anything, it's not as easy as it looks. but if anyone using the same comp can do a +28 in time then it will be an issueComment by jthm91I feel like the community will find anyway to complain and nerf paladin more.Comment by KerathrasIt’s just yet another side effect of their complete inability to balance anything in this game.Comment by emu1981Heh, I wish the M+ that I pug into had healing requirements so low I could go as DPS instead of heals...Comment by TheRealArchonPersonally i see it as a massive issue when there are classes that when payed as a tank or a dps can basically eliminate the role of healer from a key all the way up to and past +30's.... Yet some classes cant even heal themselves let alone others. That is the literal defenition of imbalance and really needs to be looked at. Why even take a certain dps/tank if another can do the same job and heal too?Comment by NarhwalsThis is a non issue for 99% of pugs. No healer will face to be declined because of prot Palas and offhealing. No healer court of stars is a CoS issue, because most of the damage is avoidable. Stupid topic tbhComment by Mardux11Kinda looks like healers just search for reasons to cry. Whether it be that the top 1% don't need them to run a key or they (falsely) claim every affix is a healer problem, even when it's not (like explosive orbs on live).Comment by PopojagaPersonally i see it as a massive issue when there are classes that when payed as a tank or a dps can basically eliminate the role of healer from a key all the way up to and past +30's.... Yet some classes cant even heal themselves let alone others. That is the literal defenition of imbalance and really needs to be looked at. Why even take a certain dps/tank if another can do the same job and heal too?Comment by avenireyeah i really feel like naguura has it correct. prot pally is just a bit busted, and if they reign that in, this niche *issue* is solved.Comment by Gejah24This is a complete non-issue. Just because the top 1% of players in organized groups are able to do this in some situations does not mean it is something that needs addressing.Comment by sonic1226Just eliminate the healer tank dps roles alltogether. Lets see where this will go :)Comment by LeovanniOkay well there are a lot of people who need healers in keys. Just because the top .001% of total players can avoid enough damage and use their defensives well enough doesn't mean it's unbalanced or cosmetic. Try pugging a 15 and see how far you get without a healer. It's 100% possible to do, but you probably will not find a group that can time a key without a healer.

Very tired of content being balanced around a literal handful of players.Comment by VitapestisThey could let healers do real damage. If a healer can do the damage of that support DPS then no reason to replace them.Comment by Civil4794This is a non issue for 99% of pugs. No healer will face to be declined because of prot Palas and offhealing. No healer court of stars is a CoS issue, because most of the damage is avoidable. Stupid topic tbhComment by DavilI've been playing as a paladin tank lately after having done warrior and blood dk tanks. In my opinion, paladin tanks are super easy to play. I have empty spaces on my main bar on my paladin because the rotation is so simple. I've been doing 10+s at 380 ilvl and just blasting through with no trouble while doing about half the dps as my 419 geared dk with whetstone. They are the meta tank right now for M+, there always is one every season and it will probably change next month.Comment by TysTeaWowhead with a toxic post(by tettles) who btw is still mad because he lost to dmg to hasty on 2nd boss COS.... id be salty too to be beat during a healing check and get out dpsed... ya the cosmetic role beat you in your cosmetic roleComment by Gejah24This is a non issue for 99% of pugs. No healer will face to be declined because of prot Palas and offhealing. No healer court of stars is a CoS issue, because most of the damage is avoidable. Stupid topic tbhComment by Saruya"Taking over"

Shows 1 in the top 200 runs...

Not sure it means what he thinks it means...

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