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In my opinion, not worth the 30 rage. Tne damage that it does is reduced by the target's armor. Kind of like the rogue's evisceration skill, but with smaller numbers. The only way you'll ever reach 400-500 damage with the highest rank of shield bash is if you use it on weaker enemies or cloth users. In high end instances, expect like 200-300 damage and maybe even less. You would probably do more with a fast weapon doing 2 heroic strikes than it takes to get 30 rage just to pop this.

The threat it does is also not worth 30 rage, you can get more doing 2 sunders/heroic strikes.

The magic dispel it has may have some merit as some mobs have sickening buffs, but when you are competing for aggro with other DPS classes it is tough to be able to use and still have rage to maintain aggro. Not to mention it's only a 50% chance, which is decent, but don't count your life on it.

The 30 rage to use this skill and having only a 50% chance to dispel makes it an acquired taste to use in pvp. You get the most use of it against cloth casters since their armor is lowest and they lose a lot from having their buffs dispelled if it procs, but it's better used in an equip+skill macro. Not sure if it takes away the weapon enchants of a Shaman, but I know it dispels a paladin's seals, which is kind of sad since they can just recast it.

EDIT --
I kind of forgot about this, but I guess because not many warriors do ever become main tanks for a tier dungeon like MC/Onyxia/BWL. Hardcore PVE is the only way this skill ever shines like a gem if any at all because most battles there will send a warrior's rage bar soaring real high giving the rage possible to use this skill often and taunt becomes practically useless to the mobs there.

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dave - Shield slam doesn't interrupt casting, that's shield bash and hate/threat does nothing to player characters. I did say it's good against cloth users, but going that far into prot spec doesn't really say much of a great advantage on player casters. You'll either be outlasted to death from you're crap prot spec dmg (shield slam cooldown is 6 seconds and 2handers/dualwielding isn't really enhanced much in protection line) or get outmaneuvered and die a horrible death. Try fighting an uber feral druid in bear form like this, you'll get your ass handed more than enough times. MS debuff really helps a lot more on healers than this.

forty9ers4life - Yeah, in that case then it is worth it, but the thing in heroic strike is that it does weapon dmg + 136 dmg so if you have a lot of attack power and a good weapon, you could probably do like 300 dmg on a heroic strike and 2x 300 is 600 dmg compared to shield slam's static max 550. Not to mention larger threat gain, but a valid argument to this is that shield slam is instant where heroic strike depends on your weapon's speed.

ApprenH - It does offer a good alternative, but mainly for a PVE warrior who is the main tank. This skill truly shines in hardcore PVE instances where a warrior's rage bar is nearly full in any given battle like MC/BWL/Onyxia where fighting for aggro is more controlled and taunt doesn't work. A mediocre skill at best in PVP in my opinion though. Protection spec just has a much harder time outlasting ppl in pvp other than rogues and other warriors.

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What protection warrior can generate 30 rage to use this ability in the first place...heh. The multiple times I have tried Protection, including recently, rage was th hardest thing to come by. I even got the crit and next tier ability that adds 1 rage per hit at a rate of 40%...can't seem to recall name for some reason. Anyway...I've NEVER had 30 extra rage, as a protection warrior unless I was jumped by a lot of people/mobs or was tanking a higher end instance. 30 rage for this mediocre ability(for the rage) is atrocious.

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Ok... I'm a protection warrior, and I have Shield Slam. I have to say, I like it a lot. Obviously when I'm tanking something, particularly if it's an elite or a boss, most of my initial rage will be going into sunder armor, demoralizing shout, shield block, revenge and so on. However, I still encounter situations when I'm generating way more rage than I need, or when I have so much aggro that my target isn't going to pull away anytime soon.

Shield Slam allows me to deal large chunks of damage without switching stances (particularly important if you don't have tactical mastery- and hey, not all of us do). Note, however, that damage is reduced accordingly by armor.

With the latest patch, Shield Slam causes high Threat as well.

When fighting a badly wounded boss, I like to use Shield Slam to drain my rage bar, immediately switch to Battle stance, activate Bloodrage, and then spam Executes.

Shield Slam is also a strong alternative for Prot warriors in PvE. When soloing in Battle stance I find that it really cuts down on time per mob, about equivalent to what an off-hand weapon could accomplish, but without the accompanying loss in armor.

Finally, that 50% chance to dispel a magic effect has meant the end of quite a few overconfident opponents in PvP. In fact the big, damaging hits can be quite intimidating just in general, particularly against cloth or leather wearers.

In short, Shield Slam may require a lot of talent points and a lot of rage too, but it can be a powerful ally.

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good warriors have protection talents so they are better in tanking, so its worth to use the 1 talent point for this:)

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heh... OH NOES!

I'm bleeding, i cut myself onthe edge of... um..
THE SHIELD SPIKE! no wait - he didn't have any..

Ok, enough of that, I have no idea wheteher it works with deep wounds. (Internal bleedings maybe?)

I would guess it doesn't work, but hey.. you can use rend with a staff so why not?

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Ok, I had this skill for a fair amount of time, so I felt like adding stuff. Shut up.

Okay, first off, i noticed people applying attack power to Heroic strike. Heroic strike, the game takes your normal hit damage, adds 137 to it, then reduces by the enemies AC. So, really, you'll be getting about 60-70 bonus since most mobs when you're tanking have insane AC.

Second, it's an instant, and really more a rage burn skill while you're in a group than anything else. It's also meant to be a nice lil' bonus damage for tankers, since they wont be doing much. In endgame, like BWL and MC, you will sunder up 5 FAST since you will build rage like crazy, from all that damage. Until you can execute, which you may or may not want to do, you will more or less have a constantly full rage bar. This adds a nice lil' nigget off damage to the group, if you use it constantly, about 20-40 DPS, depending on mobs, misses, etc.

Also, while soloing as a defensive warrior, this is a nice amount of damage added in. It's really nice DPS skill while soloing as a defensive warrior too. I used for a bit, even with the +10% 1h skill, this is nice since you can still use in arms, so you can pump out fair DPS. Just avoid casters, high armor means nothing to a spell.

Anyways, my thoughts on this. Didn't really read above, so sorry if I restated something.

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SS is really just surprise attack for a protection warrior. I usually use it after a rogue has ripped into me and I have him under concussion. Then I use Bloodrage and whack him a few times to remind him what a 70lb sheet of metal feels like.

In instances I almost wear out my Shield Block button. But it comes in handy in emergency situations when I have tons of aggro because I have used the ultimate combo. Chanllenging shout then switch to Arms line to use Retaliation. Over to Beserker stance for whirlwind and you have all the aggro back. Then back to Defensive stance to alternate between Shield Block and Sheild Slam... tons of rage. I also will switch back to Beserker Stance for Whirlwind now and again if its a large number of mobs.

In big instances like MC... Its just another attack. I agree that I don't think it belongs on the bottom teir of the protection line, but I don't think its useless either.

Just my uses of Shield Slam

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Seems like this was the right abilty to check out, I recently started a protection warior, and so far I love it, but mostly I love tacking the agro so other classes can do there thing, wich alot of low-mid warriors seem to neglect, they all want arms, or something else to be the ultimate pvper, but in the end there dmg, compared to the caster, and the rogues can be weak, at least agro wise, and for the most part my mid lvl rogue eats them, at least average ones, I have found a few that make me debate jumping a warrior my lvl or higher, but on my server good warrs a pain to find.

At least now thanks to Katmandu, I got more of warriors perspective, but I still think alot of newb warriors need to look into the talents and abilities and instead of playing at random, and invite rogues, and mages only to have them worry about out agroing the tank. Of course if you can get to 40+ you have to pick up something unlike these after Xmas newbs who group up for easy quests and beat the learning curve, can't belive some of the ppl who managed to get to 20+ with so little knowledge, just spamming for groups...

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Next patch out today will be 20 rage not 30, so a little better.

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You see many opinions here and - of course - most are right in their way.

In PvP - if you are nuts enough to do PvP as a prot specced warrior - this sure is a little surprise, but no knock out and even less compareable to MS.

In regular PvE - means anything below ZG - usefulnes of this baby dies off rapidly as you gather better equipment, getting less damage and get your focus away from staying alive to handle your little bit of rage you still have then. Equipped in best Pre-Raid equipment tanking scholo or strat or that like, you will only use it a few times in bossfights maybe.

But...... in raid instances, where massive damge of one boss is focussed on you and you have less to worry about getting enough rage rather than getting lost of it fast enough .... it's your aggro-godmode. Sure you could spam HS and sunder instead, but I would prefer this over HS anytime it's ready because HS does 138 (or 157 if rank9) additional damage for the cost of 15 (12 if specced) plus the rage you lose on your 'next swing' that won't generate any rage. So effectively HS might cost you something from 15 (specced with really fast weap) to 23 (not specced with a fairly slow weap like that mace from razorgore) doing not half as much extra damage and generating also much less extra aggro than shield slam.

So I would recommend you to use revenge -> sunder -> shield slam -> HS.... in this priority when ready. Revenge any time you can, spam sunder all over, and if you don't get lost of your rage still, use shieldslam in exchange for a sunder. And only if you're STILL drown in rage consider using HS. If the anti-cast effect of shield bash is not needed it can also be used and I (I feel like this works really good) prefer it over sunder when ready and there are already 5 sunders on the mob.

But...... like said above couple of times. In simple Instances or when not being MT or MT-backup this isn't really useful and even less required. It's simply an endgame-skill that's needed to get the little last of aggro out of your tank.

And well, I am curious how it will work in 1.11 when it's cost is reduce to 20 rage and your blockvalue modifies the damage done. But I think even then it will remain being an highend-only talent.

Summary : If you're not MT in a raid instace i'd recommend u to stick with sunder and revenge. And if you're planning to use this in PvP ... forget it. But IF you are MT and you haven't this baby specced it's at least worth a try and I'd bet you won't regret it.

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I have heard some people claim that this skill is MUCH better now that the block modifier has been added to it. Can anyone vouch for this? I just respeced to protection on my warrior, but haven't had the chance to compaire the 1.11 shield slam to what it was in the past.

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Anyone know to what degree shield block value affects the average damage?
As in, how much damage will I get out of 1 point of shield block value?

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i love being prot.
solo pvp is just imba with prot i can take on so much mor at once than dmg warriors.
it takes mroe time how ever.

any shield slam i spretty cool, cuz im starting to get + block value gear.
already had a 950 crit in battle stance, and i only got like 4/8 tier one.

when my guild keeps progressing in pve ill prolly get some more, and i can wait to0 do so cheap instant dmg.

i love to shield slam paladins, it makes the worthlesss cuz they can only do auto hit then, wich hardly does n e dmg cuz im wielding shield.

just get alot of + block value (not str, it sux)
and youll see that you will hit alot harder.

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Really nice with the immovable object. Since of all the block a little damage is added.

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It�s late I�am bored ,This will probably be shot down like a plane but I�am still curious, hoping some of you more experienced players could give me some constructive criticism.

Taking this into account - �Each 1 Shield Block value = 1 damage added to Shield Slam base damage. � Don�t know whether this is true.

Quote http://www.thotbott.com/?sp=23925

Current Best Block gear all totals about 9 items = + 195 Block value of shield.
http://www.thotbott.com/?i=53950
http://www.thotbott.com/?i=27210
http://www.thotbott.com/?i=53776
http://www.thotbott.com/?i=53773
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http://www.thotbott.com/?i=40808
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=Shield slam 410-440 dmg.
=Shield slam 410-440 dmg. + Block 195
=605-640
*=1210-1280 crit dmg (without use of trinket)

=605-640 + 235
Block extra with buff of trinket http://www.thotbott.com/?i=53950 235 Block value of shield (20
secs.)

=840-875 base rate Before armour
=1680-1750 Critical ? Before armour etc.

In PVP warriors have very few talents and skills to help them survive , they are in my eyes on of the weaker classes and especially after the recent nerfs (and no I�am not class whiner ) . So This might be a suggestion on how to survive pvp having one or two extra skills(concussion blow , last stand ,revenge, Spell Reflection (NEW) http://wow-europe.com/en/info/underdev/burningcrusade/warrior/spells.html ) and still doing nice dmg at the same time. I don�t know whether I have the maths right above , most likely not , or whether 1 block value = 1 dmg, or whether a critical strike is double the base rate etc . If after armour etc was taken into account you could crit with shield slam over 1k and have has a �50% chance of dispelling 1 magic effect on the target� and had all those spells and talents would you not fair a lot better in pvp ? I don�t know if new block items will come out in the BC which could add to the dmg you do. You would also have to juggle getting your crit rate up enough so your shield crits enough. And I don�t know what kind of main hander you would get ,would you get a slow main hand for big crits or a fast main hand for more much needed rage so you can shield slam more and heroic stirke on the main hand more .. Just a theory prob got it all wrong , if there is someone who could put this defense / dmg combo into test providing you have the incredible gear as listed then please try it and post your results/screenshots.

Just and idea of a talents build .
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/talent-bc=L

Thanks .

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Some1's probably asked this before but i couldn't find it.

Does shield slam dispel then dmg, or dmg then dispell, i.e. shield slamming a priest with power word shield would dispell the shield then dmg or be absorbed by the shield then also remove it?

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