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Froswaldthegreat의 댓글

He says on aggro, "The Scarlet Crusade is not over! Undeath is merely a setback!" which may be a reference to Kael'thas and Anub'arak's phrases and the jokes surrounding them.

Lorethal의 댓글

Obvious reference is obvious.

Skullhawk13의 댓글

I think being undead when your whole order is about killing undead is more then MERELY a setback...

TombLordMalifact의 댓글

This was one setback joke they didn't need to put in. The Scarlet Crusade... was awesome. Terrifying, dark, merciless: and awesome. They had so much lore potential. Now look at them. These pansytwat Argent's crack jokes and sip watered wine, killing the last, betrayed remnants of the only organization that was ever able to combat the Scourge effectively in the Plaguelands, the last remnant living remnant of the Kingdom of Lordaeron.

It would have been so cool, to have had the last few Scarlets left join the Alliance, or at least the Argents, to help take back the Plaguelands (Because they should both be fighting to take back Lordaeron for humanity). Instead of the Crusade, which would fight to keep Lordaeron alive, the Argent Dawn is just going to sit on their ass and preach about loving thy neighbour while the Forsaken continue their torterous experiments and vile methods on the settlers who've come to take back their homes. The Forsaken, with the admission of the Val'kyr, are going to become a miniature Scourge: the dead they raise have no free will, and are resurrected utterly subservient to Sylvanas. And the Argent Dawn, whose mission statement is to combat evil wherever it may be found, will do nothing. They'll heal the land, or some such crap, while the Forsaken take it over. This is lame, Blizzard, and you know it.

The Scarlet Crusade was just trying to keep what was left of Lordaeron alive. Sure, their methods were extreme, but the Scarlet Enclave, Tyr's Hand, Hearthglen: they kept these cities alive, right up until Archerus rolled in, or you, the player, slaughtered the people inside because Tirion told you to. Sure, they were 'bad guys': but they had personality. Dark and zealous to be sure, but they did it for the greater good: they weren't cut and dry "We're here to fight all the evil in the world and serve apple pie to all the good little boys and girls" Argent pansies. I'd rather fight alongside a group of merciless, battle-hardened Scarlets than some "Tougher than the rest" Brotherhood of the Dawn any day.

783759의 댓글

I believe this shows that there are more forms of Necromancy than we think. Though I hardly can believe that the farmers at Andorhal mindlessly served the Forsaken out of coincidence. I believe that if there is a use for them, the corpses will be raised as Forsaken who are immediately loyal to Sylvanas. The fact that The Alliance was winning the Battle for Andorhal gave the val'kyr a good reason to bring back the farmers and Alliance soldiers as very loyal Forsaken.

if I were that woman and people were standing in the way of MY revenge, I'd kill them off and bring them back too.

That's understandable, but it still seems hypocritical. She despises the Scourge and what Arthas did to her and her people, yet she's doing the same thing to others. If they were already fighting the Forsaken, then they were asking for it, but if it was just an unarmed civilian or something that got caught in a crossfire or died by some other means, there should be no good reason for him or her to be brought back as a Forsaken. That's adding insult to injury.

4dehorde의 댓글

The Forsaken did not engage in genocide in Silverpine or in Hillsbrad, despite your claims. They were fighting back against the Alliance aggressors. The worgen and their allies were determined to steal Lordaeron and destroy the Forsaken, making them no better than the Forsaken when they invaded Gilneas. Southshore was a supply port and military staging ground for Alliance forces. It is just wrong to condemn the Forsaken as genocidal monsters simply for defending themselves. And the Forsaken have been reviled and repressed ever since the first of them rose from the grave. Numerous sources say this to be true. I've even quoted one on a couple of my comments.

The Forsaken do not have any concentration camps. They don't feed anyone to ghouls either. There are no ghouls in the Forsaken anyway. Your claims there are completely unfounded. The Sludge Fields was just a prison camp gone wrong, no matter how you would like to see it. The humans that were tortured there were the victims of a mad warden who was later executed by the Forsaken for his wrongdoings. You cannot with sense claim one person's actions reflect that of an entire race.

You want to compare a great ruler like Sylvanas to madman like Hitler? Then I'll do the same to Varian. His campaign of genocide in Kalimdor has only just begun, and hundreds of innocent men, women, and children have already been butchered by his followers. Rather, it is Varian who is becoming as villainous as the Lich King. He doesn't even value his people as Sylvanas does. Look at all the homeless in Westfall. Instead of feeding his people, Varian is feeding his lust for war.

The worgen's conduct against the Forsaken is comparable to that of terrorists. Hiding, then striking at the enemy when they are least prepared, like cowards. Willing to sacrifice their own in hopes of killing a large number of enemies. Brutally and savagely torturing captives. Executng family members in front of their families. Trying to force their ways on others. The worgen are guilty of it all.

And the Forsaken have very little resemblance to the Scourge. The fact that they are both undead is their only relation. The Forsaken respect the dead and treat each other like brothers, while the Scourge are mindless slaves. The Forsaken are evil, yes, but I believe they were driven that way because of the fierrce opposition they have faced since their formation. You want to talk about how the Forsaken torture and experiment on prisoners? Yes, that is wrong, I admit, but the Scarlet Crusade, the organization of genocidal freaks you praised, were guilty of the exact same thing.

Bottom line, the Forsaken are not the monsters you make them out to be. They are securing their very right to exist. Lordaeron was their home in life, and it is in death too. The Alliance has to accept that, because it is reality. When the Alliance butchers an entire town, they call it justice, but when the Forsaken destroy a military staging ground, they are called genocidal monsters. No logic there at all.

783759의 댓글

The worgen's conduct against the Forsaken is comparable to that of terrorists. Hiding, then striking at the enemy when they are least prepared, like cowards. Willing to sacrifice their own in hopes of killing a large number of enemies. Brutally and savagely torturing captives. Executng family members in front of their families. Trying to force their ways on others. The worgen are guilty of it all.

Being a proud Worgen player myself, I must question this. The Forsaken vs. Worgen war was started by Forsaken, and yes, I will say it's true that the Worgen are helping The Alliance to take Lordaeron from The Forsaken.

But why shouldn't they? Gilneas is their ancestral homeland, and they will take as much offense to it being invaded as the tauren, when it comes to The Barrens and the dwarves. I'm not saying Gilneas is a part of Lordaeron, but The Forsaken are now their most hated enemies, and here's a chance to weaken them. It is most reasonable to take that chance.

Calling the Worgen's ways comparable to that of terrorists? I have thought that about The Forsaken when it comes to their Plague. The Dark Rangers in Hillsbrad that the Worgen are focusing on are most prepared, and even if they aren't, they are quite capable of handling two or three Worgen.

As for the "Trying to force their ways on others" bit, are you referring to the Worgen giving their blood to humans to turn them into Worgen, or something else? Because if it's something else I would like to know about that. Turning other humans into Worgen is a sensible move, because not only do they recruit people to fight The Forsaken in a similar way that Sylvanas brings humans back as Forsaken, those new Worgen can not be brought back as Forsaken, and from our point of view, that is a very, very good thing.

Bottom line, the Forsaken are not the monsters you make them out to be. They are securing their very right to exist. Lordaeron was their home in life, and it is in death too. The Alliance has to accept that, because it is reality. When the Alliance butchers an entire town, they call it justice, but when the Forsaken destroy a military staging ground, they are called genocidal monsters. No logic there at all.

The Forsaken are not monsters, I agree with you on that, but some of their tactics can be considered harsh. They also have a right to exist as well. I feel The Alliance has accepted that Lordaeron belongs to The Forsaken, but they want to take Lordaeron for their own, mainly because it would be a devastating loss to The Horde. I'm sure Garrosh would love to take an entire Alliance capital. I also don't feel that most members of The Alliance call butchering an entire town "justice" but, in a bizarre sense, reasonable, which would be better than saying justice. Hawthorne never felt that the villagers at Taurajo deserved to die, and any Alliance member that calls it justice I would lock away for being an embarrassment to my faction.

Of course, as I always have said, I hate what happened at Taurajo, and if it could be taken back I would be more than happy. I wouldn't call the Forsaken genocidal monsters for destroying Southshore, because it was a reasonable move from their point of view. But we can't be expected to be happy about losing that town. It was a very important town, and personally, I loved it. The Horde has to understand that we will be upset over its loss.

Riteon의 댓글

Plagiarism was merely a setback!

Dracomortis의 댓글

His name almost sounds like Lord Voldemort. May or may not be intentional, but it's the first thing I thought of when I saw him.

Nyteyes의 댓글

Crusader Lord Valdelmar yells: The Scarlet Crusade is not over! Undeath is merely a setback!

lawl XD

942747의 댓글

"I ruled Tyr's hand... then I took an arrow to the knee... but it was only a setback!"

[Crusader Lord Valdelmar]

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