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Comment by 17129

1% haste takes 15.8 haste rating, making this trinket add:

260/15.8 = 16,45% haste.

Comment by Invis

Patch 2.0.7 newest patch, increases each haste point rating by 50%.

Comment by 19281

This does effect ranged weapon speed also

Comment by 15757

As of Patch 2.0.7, the Abacus of Violent Odds now adds 24.73% Haste for 10 seconds.

Comment by jemima

Does this drop in heroic or normal?

Comment by 24847

Does this stack with hunter's rapid fire ability?

Comment by 24847

just got this, and yes it does stack.

Comment by 26896

As a Rogue this is awesome!

I use it with the set bonus from my Assassination set, and Slice N Dice, it takes a bit of skill to get them all going at the same time, but damn!

My weapon speeds dropped below 1.0 for MH and OH for about 10 sec!

Comment by 38991

id just like to say i hate pantheon, and this never drops :(

Comment by Psychopath

It looks exaclty like slice and dice, when you activate it.

Comment by 45061

anyone know how long the cooldown on this is?

Comment by 46216

if you are a fury warrior using drakefist hammer only the proc and flurry give you 1.75 speed. activating this trinket and maybe a mongoose proc if you have it on both weapons results in serious damage. activate reck and you will really be a "deathwish"ed warrior. :)

Comment by 50874

Does anyone know if this haste works with feral forms for a druid?

Comment by 39907

I farmed Mech for weeks to get this on my 2H enhancement shaman. Finally got it after about 30 runs (first time I even saw it drop). Three more weeks until I can get my Gladiator's Bonegrinder, which I should be swinging at somthign like 1.8 seconds with this, Bloodlust, and Flurry. O lawd.

Comment by 59970

I am so pissed! Just dropped for me after my 30+ run... im 80% into revered and its the first time its dropped! A prot warrior won the roll over me... >_< Is this even remotely good for a prot warrior... or should I roll a horde and gank this guy over and over and over to get rid my pain?

Comment by 54074

i use this with Slice and Dice for my rogue, made a macro here:

/use Abacus of Violent Odds
/cast Slice and Dice
/stopcasting

trinket itself gives 24.73% haste speed

you get 54.73% faster attacks for 10 seconds with them both active, even faster if you have assassination armor set bonus ;-) (which adds 15.22% haste for 6 seconds)

very nice trinket, will last until i get bloodlust brooch

Comment by 36076

If I am a Mutilate spec rogue with this gear.

http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Cenarius&n=Nochangel

I am thinking of replacing https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=28041.

I've been reading how haste stacks as gear gets better.

Your thouhgts?

Comment by 68263

Interested in haste?
Then here's a list of items that will get you lots of haste easily
Blackout Truncheon:https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=27901
-Drops from the semi-final boss in Shadow Lab
Drakefist hammer: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=28437
-Only Blacksmiths (hammer specced) with 350+ skill can craft and upgrade this baby
Dragonspine Trophy : https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=28830
-from Gruul the Dragonslayer in Gruul's lair, 25-man boss; very low drop rate
Abacus of Violent Odds: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=28288
By the way, there's a soft cap that blizz has on weapon speed, you cannot drop below a 1.0 weapon speed for ANY weapon. Your tooltip may say 0.8 or 0.7 speed, but the faster you can go is 1.0. Thanks for fatmike for that.
And for rogues only .. any 2 pieces of the Assassination set: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/itemset=620

Comment by Faxe

i think the reason theres the 1 sec minimum attack speed cap is cuz a troll with low hp and berserker racial buff, 2 assasination set peices, drakefist hammer MH, Blackout Truncheon OH, Dragonspine Trophy, slice and dice and this trinkets use and finally bloodlust (or what its called for draeneis) could get such crazy attack speed if he was lucky to get it all triggered, that only god knows what would happen if there wasnt the 1 sec cap..

Comment by Kallikrates

I know, it was supposed to be the Swiftsteel Bludgeon sorry.

With the following Items it is possible to get exactly 1,050 Haste Rating (which equates to precisely 100%). Note: The Items Linked are for a Warrior because I was researching for my own.

Permanent: 253 Haste Rating
On Proc: 537 Haste Rating
On Use: 260 Haste Rating
Total: 1,050 Haste Rating (100%)

Head: N/A
Neck: N/A
Shoulders: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=32570
Back: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=32665
Chest: N/A
Wrist: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=32568
Hand: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=32608
Waist: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=30915
Legs: N/A
Feet: N/A
Finger: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=32526
Finger: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=32526
Trinket: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=28830
Trinket: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=28288
Main Hand: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=28439
Off Hand: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=32943
Ranged: N/A

1,050 Haste is achieved with both the Dragonspine Trophy and Dragonstrike proccing at the same time and the Abacus of Violent Odds being popped.
Please mark down the other comment.

Comment by 68244

I have also read somewhere that you cannot go under 1s attack speed, even though the tooltip will show that you are.

Comment by 29170

When i used a crappy 2,0sword 1-3weeks ago i got it down to 0,7 normaly or something like that, so you can get it lower than 1sec attack speed

Comment by 18009

if wep. speed cant go below 1.0 then dagger rogues are at a severe disadvantage here... w/ all my speed boosts and everything i can get my tooltip to tell me my OH is at 0.54 speed... the normal speed being 1.5... thats almost a 300% increase in speed and essentialy white dps not to mention Combat Potency procs... now lets say a sword/fist/mace rogue uses the same abilities/pots/trinkets w/ a 3.0 speed weapon... he can get it down to 1.08... just above the "cap" (if there is one...) so the sword/fist/mace rogue would be at a solid ~300% speed increase while the dagger rogue is at a 75% increase to damage... HORRIBLE... the dagger spec is supposed to be the "raid/max dps" spec for rogues... this really throws things outta whack imo... i'd think blizz would realize this w/ the cap and decide against it... until someone can prove that the cap does exist... I just can't believe blizz would nerf dag spec this badly especially w/ the way they're trying to seperate the rogue weapon specs into different parts of the game

BTW-i hit .54 using:

Haste Potion
Abacus
Blade Flurry
SnD
Gruul Trinket
Assassination proc
Heroism buff
Mongoose

topped w/ an Adrenaline Rush you can BS as fast as the global cooldown allows for ~10-12sec... which is really fun when Curator takes 200% dmg...

Also-this would make haste useless for kitty druids because i believe their normal speed is 1.0... not sure on that, though as i dont play druid :P

Comment by 80748

im just wondering this trinket's cooldown time?who would tell me

Comment by 37463

I assumed that haste effects like this would kill the proc rate on Seal of Command, but I've been reading some people saying that haste does not reduce the proc rate since it's based of normal weapon speed. Can anyone verify?

Comment by 76755

Nerfed as of 2.2 =-(

Comment by Mystikb4

Does this share CD with 'Kiss of the Spider'?

Comment by 60495

100% attack speed increase means that you attack twice as fast; 100% more attacks in any given time. Or a reduction of the 'melee cooldown' - the swing timer - by 50%.

Of course, haste exponentially diminishes because the swing timer reduction multiplier is 1/(1+haste%); at 100% haste, the swing timer is halved; at 200% haste, it's divided by 3; at 300% haste, it's divided by four, etc.

I only say this because when one looks at a "100% haste increase," you'd tend to think that you attack infinitely - or nigh-infinitely fast (approaching 1/0 from the right side).

In short, the haste mechanic percent increases are deceiving.

Comment by 37463

It just occurred to me that this would be really nice for a prot/ret reckoning paladin. As soon as reckoning procs, pop this and you'll be much more likely to get a third double-swing with your 2H. With reckoning being an 8 sec window, and three swings taking over 7 seconds (with two 3.6 sec waits = 7.2 secs), it's easy to miss the third swing if your first double-hit swing comes later than 0.8 secs after the reckoning proc. This speeds your swing to roughly 3.06 with a 3.6 weapon.

Comment by 90023

As a furry warrior this be one interesting trinket. With both this trinket popped and flurry active, the attack speed of a 2.6 weapon is brought down to about 1.6.

During a warriors recklessness/execute phase, a 1.6 speed weapon increases damage gained from executes done over time by %39 by suppling rage at a rate close to executes global cool down.

This adds an interesting DPS benefit to warriors that use slow/slow for the maximum benefit to whirlwind / flury procing.

(Not to mention the fat amount of AP and the haste proc with regards to white damage.)

Comment by 106757

It's pretty useful for a feral druid as omen of clarity can proc on every hit.

Comment by 113463

Comparing this to Core of Arkelos (easy to get green trinket with 200 AP for 20 sec activatable ability, and 52 AP)

Assuming 1600 unbuffed AP

Abacus of Violent odds:
64 AP/1600 AP=4% damage
260 haste=16.5% damage for 10 secs

Core of Arkelos:
52 AP/1600 AP=3.25% damage
200 AP/1600 AP=12.5% damage for 20 secs

since both are on the same timer, double the damage on arkelos activated ability (since it lasts 2x as long) to make them even=25% damage
25%-16.5%=8.5% damage
8.5% damage/(20/120)(this is the time for the arkelos buff over the cooldown, giving you the total average increase)=1.42% damage.
4% damage-3.25% damage (straight dps on both trinkets)=abacus better by .75% damage
1.42% (the damage diff on the activatables, with arkelos being better)-.75% (damage on straight increase, with abacus being better)=core is .67% better.

save yourself the trouble and get the core, the stacking might be nice, but its just another cool effect, and the AP is better, even if you have 2k unbuffed, its still better by at least .3% (i don't want to go thru the math, AND explain it to you, again)

If you have abilities that benefit insanely from +speed, more power to ya, but if not, the core is better for straight dps.

Core of Arkelos is better than Bladefists breadth, just take my word for it (BB is the other easy to get trinket at 60+) BB=1.something crit (1.2? 1.3?), ark=roughly 2-3% damage (depending on ur unbuffed AP), damage %=crit chance, so even with talent boosting abilities, ark is better.

Reccommended trinkets: hourglass of the unraveller and core of arkelos for pre heroic and kara 70s.
the hourglass is better than ark, see my post on that, and the ark is better than the other trinkets.

Comment by 60955

does this stack with troll racial ability? better question yet, wut doesnt this stack with?

Comment by 119239

won off last boss in normal mode had warrior and druid rolling with me lol but I won w00t bye bye ancient draenei war talisman.

Comment by Sonic

Paladins, this trinket is fun with Seal of the Crusader and Latro's Shifting Sword. Makes for very fun and fast swings against foes.

Comment by 69115

Looks like no one has mentioned this yet.

When you activate the trinket, you do a punch animation, which is kinda cool.

Comment by blah17

Anyone know what deal is with it's name?

Abacus of violent odds

I know an Abacus is one of those things you can slide the beads on for basic addition and subtraction...
How that relates to a WoW trinket which gives haste rating i'm not quite sure...

The "Violent" part is actualy the only bit that makes sense as far as I can tell

and "Odds" does bear a slight relation to "Abacus" in that they are both math related

since it does drop off someone with the title "The calculator" there is the recurring math-ish theme

I guess it's an abacus which lets you violently kill your enemies... and that's rather odd

Comment by 54149

In a rogues point of view, with the right items you can reach abnormous heights when it comes to haste!
Not going into detail at this point, you have 25% passive haste. Gems and all. Your really pro.
Assume you use these weps and this trinket besides the rest of the passive haste gear you've got:

Drakefist hammer: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=28437
Blackout Truncheon:https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=27901
Dragonspine Trophy : https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=28830

Ok, now assume this happens:

- All 3 off em procc, leaving pretty exactly 43.40% haste.
- You use the Abacus we are chatting about, 16,50% haste.
- You got 2 piece Assas, when you Kidney/Cheap its 10.15% Haste
- Slice and Dice up, 30% Haste
- Blade Flurry up, 20% Haste
- Haste Pot used, 25.3% Haste
- Heroism, 30% Haste
- Doubble Mongoose procc, 4% Haste
- Drums of Battle is popped, ~5.3% Haste

Alltogether at the same time we can max our haste on a rogue to (unless ur haste is more then what i put as a standard output with the same trinkets and weps, shouldn't be easy):

Ca. 209.5% Haste!

That will last for about max 4 seconds if you ever manage to see all that procc, but so worth it.

with the weps chosen, with speed 2.70 and 1.50, I think the speed would drop to about 0.90 for mainhand and 0.50 for offhand.
(200% haste = , so its slightly more. like 0.85 mainhand and 0.47 offhand)

Edit: Feel free to comment if I missed a + haste factor from somewhere and I'll try to update :)

Comment by Allakhazam

want :D

Comment by Allakhazam

can anyone tell me what the cooldown is on this?

Comment by Allakhazam

Yup, dropped for my hunter today. Niiiice!

Comment by Allakhazam

Feral druid that tanked for us won it over me, (hunter). I was pretty mad.

Comment by Allakhazam

Does this drop on heroic or normal? his loot table crashes my browser everytime I try to check it out.

Comment by Allakhazam

Why does everyone get mad when feral druids win stuff that benefits them? Get over it people. There are multiple classes in this game, and if that druid tanked you to the end boss in mechanar, he deserved it as much as you did. I'm rolling on it too if it drops.

Comment by Allakhazam

This is an amazing trinket, a perfect one to pair with hourglass of the unraveler. Great to use in succession with blade flurry because of their 2 min cooldowns. Hunters keep beating me on the roll though, but I suppose it is also nice for them.

This drops in normal mode Dramon.

Comment by Allakhazam

Feral druids should really consider passing on this if you have a hunter/rogue/dps warrior in group. A very small portion of a cat-form druid comes from his white damage. The other classes are much more dependant on white hits. So the haste rating isn't a really needed stat for druids. A trinket with a +attack power proc/use would benefit druids much more. So please consider this before needing on this over people who has been trying to get this for a long time.

Btw I play both a 70 feral druid and a dps warrior, so I'm not saying this just because I want it myself.

Comment by Allakhazam

260 haste rating = 16.5% speed increase at level 70

as of patch 2.0.7 the speed bonus per point of haste has been increased. this trinket now provides a 24.75% speed increase.

Edited, Feb 13th 2007 3:00pm by uhohzombies

Comment by Allakhazam

What exactly is a "violent odd"? An extra aggressive odd? Maybe it should be, "Abacus of Odds who possess misplaced anger."
or
"Abacus of Happy Odds"
since you all know haste makes dps very happy.

Comment by Allakhazam

Got this AND my assassination chest piece in one run, talk about lucky. =p (Got Edge of the Cosmos in the run before)

Comment by Thottbot

Does this trink stack with Rapid Fire?

Or does RF cause it to go into cooldown?

Comment by Thottbot

Master Hammersmith Enhancement Shaman

Abacus of Violent Odds (+260 Haste)
Drakefist Hammer (+200 Haste)
Bloodlust (+30% Haste)
Flurry (+30% Haste)

That's a massive amount of haste for me. I get my hammers down so close to a 1 flat hit rate.
That mixed with Windfury is madness.

Can't wait to upgrade to Dragonmaw and get Mongoose (Increase Agility +120 and attack speed slightly) enchant on it.

Comment by Thottbot

Does it work in forms for Droods?

Comment by Thottbot

I like this trinket and all, but for being an abacus it certainly looks like a box.

Comment by Thottbot

I have just gotten this in heroic mode. Had Romeo's Poison Vial and Hourglass of the Unraveller, so I took it just to test it out (else it would be dissed) and my dps is quite good togheter with the Unraveller. Thinking about using this instead of the Vial on normal grinding on lower lvl's and the Vial on raids because of the +to hit (my +to hit is quite ok)
Any thought about this?

Comment by Thottbot

I'm trying to get this on my Rogue right now, Blinkstrike with a quick off & Hand of Justice. I can see it doing a lot of damage I've gotten my attack speed on BS down to about 1.37 even lower with Troll racial + Mongoose. No idea why people still nay say Blinkstrike.

Comment by Thottbot

who's gonna bother stacking haste on a hunter? if you get incredible attack speed for a few seconds then you can't use any abilities except arcane shot...better off just using steady shot you'll probably do similar damage

Comment by Thottbot

can anyone count out the amound of haste I can get?

I am BM with Valestalker Girdle = 2.06 basic attack speed

If all these process:

Thundering skyfire meta diamond = 240 haste rating

Dragonspine Trophy = 325 haste rating

Abacus = 260 haste rating

haste potion = 400 haste rating

Improved Aspect of the hawk = + 15 % attack speed

Rapid Fire = + 40% attack speed

Would be fun to know

Comment by Thottbot

just dropped for me in normal mech

Comment by Thottbot

Finally dropped after 37 kills of Pathaleon the Calculator. Oddly enough it dropped with the Assassination tunic, which dropped on my very first run.

Comment by Thottbot

done normal mech now 12 times and not a single of the rogue drops, meaning no abacus, no tunic, and no sword :/

Comment by Thottbot

Always forgetting to manually use the trinkets you have? Try this on for size:
/use Name Of Trinket
/cast Name Of Move
Then swap in this macro's icon to where the attack icon was. An easy combo for any fight and it'll be ready again before you know it. If you want to choose when trinket pops rather than blowing your cooldown at first chance, place macro in 2nd bar at same spot as regular attack and assign Shift/key#.

You can even do multiples ie:
/use Abacus of Violent Odds
/use Crystalforged Trinket
/use Bladefist's Breath
/use Yet Another Choice
/cast Backstab

If a trinket is not ready or equipped, you'll just get "item not ready" and your attack continues like normal.

Comment by Thottbot

u who calculated the speed there... the 20% faster speed in bm is pretty good.. bm is a nice pve spec though

Comment by Thottbot

The only draw back would be the hunter's ability to click his mouse buttons.pro hunters use keyboard buttons, and they have no problems then ;)

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Abacus of Violent Odds

Item Level 115
Binds when picked up
Unique-Equipped

Trinket

Requires Level 70
Equip: Increases attack power by 64.
Use: Increases haste rating by 260 for 10 sec. (2 Min Cooldown)

Sell Price: 1

Dropped by: Pathaleon the Calculator

Drop Chance: 14.75%

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