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Commentaire de Furydeath

I fell like I've seen this before some where back in a cold cold place.

Commentaire de Anshlun

Quest part of the Chain to obtain Dragonwrath, Tarecgosa's Rest.

Commentaire de Ambellina

The 250 Smouldering Essences are probably something similar to the Shadowmourne quest A Feast of Souls which before Cataclysm required you to kill 1000 mobs in the Icecrown Citadel raid, but now only requires 50. I'd imagine that with the lower requirement, it could be one of three things.

Blizzard thought that 1000 was way too much, backed up by the reduced amount of souls in Cataclysm for Shadowmourne.

There is less trash in Firelands than Icecrown Citadel or not being able to kill trash in both 10 and 25 man raids is a reason for the reduced amount

This being the last quest and requiring to actually KILL Ragnaros in Firelands (only presumed for now), Blizzard didn't want those who have already cleared Firelands before completing this chain farm the raid over and over or at least for as long as we did for Shadowmourne souls.

Commentaire de Furydeath

Looks like there is more to just killing rag for the heart then we think with

The staff also has an on use effect: Use:Siphons the Smouldering Essence from the corpse of a powerful creature in the Firelands

So we don't just kill 250 things have to to target them and use it 250 times.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/item/71085 (stage 2 staff)

Looking up Siphon d'essence shows its only a 20 yrd range and takes almost 9 sec for each soul.

Deathwing has prepared me to face the vessel of Tarecgosa, your fools journey end's here!

Is the yell from Ragnaros when you are on this quest.

Commentaire de LoKHor

Can anyone confirm whether you only get one Smouldering Essence per channel? Or has it just been speculation that it is one per creature? That's a lot of channelling!

Commentaire de 860271

So here is a screenshot of 10 man heroic:

a) pro = per
b) Bosse = bosses
c) Wochen = Week

The following information are confirmed:
- Essences (250) only from bosses

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Commentaire de Happyjojj

Majordomo did not drop any essences, can anyone else confirm this?

Commentaire de 703780

Picked up 8 essences from Majordomo 25 normal

Commentaire de matteo89

Will multiple people be allowed to siphon the bosses if 2+ people are on that part of the chain?

Commentaire de 703780

Can't siphon Rag on normal as there is no corpse.

Commentaire de matteo89

Ah okay, so you probably cant then. Any idea if people have received the item Ragnaros drops? Heart of Flame?

Commentaire de matteo89

Does that mean it's bugged or did they actually make it so it has to be heroic ragnaros? OR perhaps you need all the smoldering essences first? (seems kinda weird if that was the case)

Commentaire de Furydeath

OH boy could it be another thing where 25 man gets more then 10 man? thats only the 3rd one and blizzard said it's only part of the line.

Commentaire de 703780

I heard you need the 250 essence first. I also heard you actually need to swim in the lava where Rag is to loot the heart (it's not a drop from the chest)

Commentaire de 855044

@fury... no blizzard explicitly said that the 25man would progress roughly 2-2.5 times faster which it is ...that has to happen on all steps of the quest or else it wouldn't really be 2-2.5 times faster.

What i think IS strange is that heroic modes are more than double normal modes. I am not all that opposed to it just surprised considering cinder drop differences are barely noticeable.

@xenje That would make a lot more sense if others aren't getting it from the chest. Many other items (the fragments/branch/charged stones) have all had separate pick ups for the items when there is only 1 of that item. i could see it being possible that you also need 250 first. I guess no one will find out for sure until either someone loots it or someone gets to 250 essences and figures it out.

Again though there is no way they are requiring heroic Rag to obtain the legendary... they specifically aren't requiring any hard modes to obtain the legendary... just to accelerate getting one.

Commentaire de kikovsk

Do you have to be using the staff during the boss kill to collect essences or can you equip it after the boss is dead?

Commentaire de Furydeath

Players should never get Rage of Ragnaros on Heroic difficulty. Rage of Ragnaros will only be given on normal difficulty if someone on the legendary quest line has 250 shards. Heart of Flame should always be given on Heroic difficulty, even if a player doesn’t have Rage of Ragnaros, but does have 250 shards.

Last hot fix post.

Commentaire de 807479

Yup I am confirming 8 for normal kills, received 8 from Baleroc and 8 from Majordomo. 0 from Ragnaros himself obviously (no body to siphon) and after the recent hotfix it appears that he does not do the AOE knockback effect over the person with the staff until you are able to loot the Heart of Flame AKA until you have collected all 250 souls

Azranos post about how much time it will take to finish this quest in 25m seems accurate. So as long as your guild is at least 4/7 heroic it will take the minimum 3 weeks, assuming 17 souls come from each heroic kill

Commentaire de matteo89

Pinch from <Premonition> said that after rag is defeated, theres a item in the lava (at the top I assume) in which you jump in to click it, loot it, done.

Commentaire de 635033

For anyone curious, 10m HM appears to be dropping 7 or 8 Smouldering Essences, so 15/2 bosses. Or, the same as doing it in a 25m pug.

Commentaire de 611332

Can anybody confirm if the essences can be extracted twice per boss if 2 people are on the quest?

Commentaire de 866764

can you die( or battle rez) during ragnaros fight to loot heart of flame?
or you have to alive whole fight to loot it?

Commentaire de link428

Here are some numbers for how long this part of the quest should take. This assumes the following:

8 per 25N boss / 10.08 per 25H boss
4.256 per 10N boss / 7.2 per 10H boss
None from Ragnaros

On 10 man:
H Bosses N Bosses # per Clear # of Weeks
0 6 26 10
1 5 28 9
2 4 31 9
3 3 34 8
4 2 37 7
5 1 40 7
6 0 43 6
On 25 man:
H Bosses N Bosses # per Clear # of Weeks
0 6 48 6
1 5 50 5
2 4 52 5
3 3 54 5
4 2 56 5
5 1 58 5
6 0 60 5
Edit: Updated for the hotfix (44% lower 25H, 33% higher 10N)

Commentaire de Veddartha

Debuff

Sporadically places a living bomb effect on you that causes no damage to the target itself but explodes within a small radius after 5 seconds. Simply stay away from other raidmembers.

Heart of the Flame

The Heart lies in the middle of the lavapool after Ragnaros disappeared, you need to loot it while being overhealed.

Commentaire de 873909

Interesting point to note, might it be possible for a person not involved in the kill the be summoned in whilst the smoldering buff is still active and then siphon it, subsequently not getting saved? If possible would said person be able to arrange/pay a number of guilds to siphon their kills if they do not have someone on to this stage of the quest?

Commentaire de 233726

I'll be done with essences by next timer and been wondering. If I die during the encounter should we purposly wipe and try again? Or would the heart drop anyway?

Commentaire de 876107

anyone else think that 14 weeks for this quest ALONE is a little ridiculous for 10m guilds? i know this staff isnt just ANY staff but geez, this is gonna take me forever, since i am only up to like 50 cinders atm

Commentaire de speakeasy

Hadn't seen this posted yet and it seemed fairly important:

To loot the item from normal mode Ragnaros, you must survive the entire encounter with Rage of Ragnaros and, when Rag submerges, the item Heart of Flame will spawn in the center of the lava. I died getting it, but I'm sure it's possible to cooldown through it.

Again, the Heart of Flame will spawn in the center of the lava pool Rag emerges from if the person with 250 souls survives the fight with Rage of Ragnaros.

Commentaire de homuhomu

Edit2: The 10N numbers are outdated due to the buff a day or two after the original nerf.

Edit: Believe this list holds true after 9/6 50% nerf. Only HC boss kills are affected. That said, 10m guilds that are 7/7 also become at least a 1/7 HC guild, so the droprate on heroic REALLY stings for any 10m guild that had a chance to complete one before Christmas. /endEdit

If these do end up being the real droprate for 10m essence siphoning, 10m guilds are at a more than 2.5 disadvantage compared to 25m guilds. 25m guilds will have 3 legendary staves before 10m even get their first.

Comparing raids that do 7/7 normal kills from week 1 and never progressing to heroic and using your numbers

week 10m 25m staves' progress

1 7/25 dtr#1
2 14/25 #1 #2
3 21/25 #1 #2
4 25/25 #1
5 140/1000 #1 #2
6 280/1000 #1 #2
7 420/1000 #1 #2
8 660/1000 #1 #2 #3
9 800/1000 #1 #3
10 940/1000 #1 #3
11 3.2/250 #1 #3
12 *DTR done DTR #2
week26* DTR #3

Assumptions:

10m will get Cinder quest by week 5, only terrible RNG will stop that
10m gets 20 Cinders per boss kill x 7 a week.
25m gets 2.5 Embers, 50 Cinders per boss kill x 7 a week.
25m subsequent DTR completion after first is 6 weeks..
Collecting cinders the same week as getting 25/25 Embers is not possible under this model. However, doing delegation before killing bosses is possible.

Amusing note: Sending the next Runestaff (phase 2 staff) person to a separate raid (even 10m) to collect essences while the current one finishes his drastically cuts down on the time the following (#3) will complete his DTR. This is due to having to said next person having to wait 2+ weeks to begin to collect essences after already forming his Runestaff. Using said method would possibly have 3 DTRs by week 22 maybe. If splitting into two 10m raids, it will slow down the following staves and comes out to be the same as having stayed in a single 25m.

Amusing note 2: If essence collection is equivalent, then 10m raids will complete their first DTR just as 25ms complete their third.

Commentaire de AznNoProblem

Due to wiping to progression before reset and running out of time to clear farm, we broke into a 10m group down from 25.

Collected the souls of Bethtilac and Majordomo.
Beth dropped 3 souls
Majordomo dropped 2 souls

Commentaire de 848671

I think this was stealth nerfed. I am siphoning Heroic-25 bosses and getting 9 per. We haven't done any normal modes yet.

Commentaire de 876107

so are normal modes affected or not? if so that means 25 normal only gets roughly 3-4 and 10 normal only gets 1...

Commentaire de Borgoth

Total completion time for 10man heroic for anyone who's interested:

Phase 1: 25 to collect, 0-1 per boss, takes 4-5 weeks. I was very lucky to get away with only 4, not wasting any boss kills on the transition to move to second phase.
Phase 2: 1000 to collect, 23-26 per heroic boss and Ragnaros, takes 6-7 weeks, more if you kill some bosses on normal. For me it was 6 weeks + 2 bosses, ended up with 1019, bit bad luck.
Phase 3: 250 to collect, ~7 (unconfirmed for now) per heroic boss, 6+ weeks to complete. I got nerfbatted myself, killing the remaining 4 bosses for the week during nerfed droprates, only getting 3-5 per boss :/

Total: 16 weeks minimum, plenty more if you're not killing bosses on heroic. Further items 6-7 weeks each. Just imagine 25man getting them at 2.5x speed, new legendary every 2-3 weeks? Same as if they actually dropped off a boss with 30-40% droprate. Even most common epic weapons aren't that common. For once, I fully agree with Bliz nerfing the droprates. They're just months late with the nerf.

Commentaire de Beltane

A blue post

We didn't particularly want a lot of in circulation, so partially intended. We really do want to keep legendary weapons legendary, and Dragonwrath ended up being more readily available than we were comfortable with.
Nonetheless, we should have recognized that the completion rate was faster than we wanted, and taken action, sooner.

The above (huge nerf to the smouldering essence drop rate) was shortly changed after Blizzard realised this would result in approximately a 5:1 ratio of Dragonwraths obtained in 25 man compared to 10 man (due to the fact that 25-man guilds had completed 1-2 of them already, while 10-man had completed none). The day after the first hotfix, this happened:

• 25-player heroic has 44% lower drop rates in phase 3 relative to 4.2 launch.
• 25-player normal remains unchanged from 4.2 launch.
• 10-player heroic remains unchanged from 4.2 launch.
• 10-player normal has 33% higher drop rates in phase 3 relative to 4.2 launch.

Meaning that 25H guilds will receive fewer Dragonwraths than expected, while the 10N guilds will get a few more. By "fewer" in the top guilds, they are likely to receive 4-5 staves still, instead of the 7 or so they were expecting. 10N guilds are never going to see more than one, and are unlikely to even see one before 4.3.

TL,DR:
- 25H drops 10 essences per boss; quest completed after 5 weeks
- 10H drops 7 essences per boss; quest completed after 6 weeks
- Normal modes will drop 10-15% fewer essences
- Guilds will NOT need to switch to 10 man to get more staves, as the other steps all take far far longer

Here is the latest direct quote from Blizzard, on the US forums, from Daxxarri:

A blue post

That's another issue, though it has less to do with drop rates and more to do with how the quest can reasonably be completed. We came up with a "parallelization" concept where a player could be on phase 3 of making Dragonwrath, while another raider in the same group could be on phase 2. We thought that would feel better for the players involved, and it did, but more because they were getting their staves faster than for any other reason. The real problem with this idea is that it made it very difficult to balance the time investment it takes to create a staff. The first staff might take x amount of time to create, but then subsequent staves could potentially come out the door a lot faster.

Legendaries aren't very legendary if 20% of the raiding population is carrying them -- never mind the ripple effects that their presence can have on game balance in PvE and PvP. Ultimately, 'parallelization' made a too powerful item, too easy to get, too quickly. In short, it was a mistake that we regret, and one we won't be repeating in the future. It also left us with a situation that we needed to address, though, which is why we nerfed the quest item drop rates to begin with.

All of that is merely by way of explaining how we arrived at this point. The heart of the issue for many of you has been 10-player raid drop rates and I’d like to take a moment to thank those of you who provided clear, constructive feedback in these threads and elsewhere. It’s been really valuable during our deliberations and helped us arrive at a decision that we think will address our concerns and yours.

We’ve decided to revert the drop rate change for 10-player heroic Firelands completely. We’ll also be slightly buffing the drop rates in 10-player normal. In the end, we should get the following results:

• 25-player heroic has 44% lower drop rates in phase 3 relative to 4.2 launch.
• 25-player normal remains unchanged from 4.2 launch.
• 10-player heroic remains unchanged from 4.2 launch.
• 10-player normal has 33% higher drop rates in phase 3 relative to 4.2 launch.

We plan to hotfix the new rates into place as soon as possible, and we should see them in-place pre-raid this evening barring unforeseen complications.

Source.

Commentaire de timmai

We’ve decided to revert the drop rate change for 10-player heroic Firelands completely. We’ll also be slightly buffing the drop rates in 10-player normal. In the end, we should get the following results:

25-player heroic has 44% lower drop rates in phase 3 relative to 4.2 launch.
25-player normal remains unchanged from 4.2 launch.
10-player heroic remains unchanged from 4.2 launch.
10-player normal has 33% higher drop rates in phase 3 relative to 4.2 launch.

We plan to hotfix the new rates into place as soon as possible, and we should see them in-place pre-raid this evening barring unforeseen complications.

I wonder if people will abandon their usual 25 mans(with their main, at least) on the last stage to go do other 10/25 mans to get started on smoldering essences while there is overlap.

Point being, now 10 mans will be getting more smoldering essences/player than 25 mans will, comparatively. Dumb move, why not just do a flat 30% nerf to everything or something.

Commentaire de 233726

Completed the quest yesterday, sharing some info,

-You can safely Iceblock, You won't loose the debuff required for the heart to drop.

-If you wipe, and manage to invis/reset the boss, you keep the debuff. Actually If you engage again you get a second debuff (and yes, you'll explode twice a minute > you should'nt do that :p).

-You have plenty of time to loot the heart, so don't rush if your healers are OOM, we had a messy kill and had the time the rez everyone, and full regen. Every hybrids should be spamming heal too.

-Tol Barad on use 400 resist trinket is awesome especially during phase2, It'll be up everytime you'll explode, and it helps in lava too.

-If you have an average raid dps, (meaning you do 3 adds wave in phase 2), the timing on the explosion shouldn't be an issue. I could stay with the raid for the 3 seeds explosions.

Commentaire de Kimoshi

I know you don't get any essences for normal Rag since there's no corpse, but what about a heroic kill? I thought I saw the debuff for essences on him.

Commentaire de Migis

I'm having some issues with this portion of the quest, for the past few weeks, my guy that has been working on the quest is stating that he is only getting 3-5 souls a boss kill, 25m both H and N.

Anyone else can confrim that the drop ratio is that low?

Commentaire de dark99

Drops rate for 10m normal is 3 to 5 by boss. I'm getting a average of 3.9.
Only got 3 on Baleroc bacause i only needed 3 to finish my quest :)

My drop

Weeks              1st    2nd    3rd    4th    5th     6th    7th    8th    9th    10th    11th
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Beth tilac            3       4       5       3       4       4       5       5       4       3       5
Shannox             5       4       3       5       5       3       4       5       3       3      n/a
Lord Rhyolith       3       5       3       3       3       5       4       3       3       4       4
Alysrazor            3       5       4       4       4       3       5       5       5       5       5
Baleroc               3       3       4       4       3       5       3       5       4       4       3
Majordomo          3       3       5       5       3       5       3       3       3       3      n/a
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total                  20      24     24     24     22      25     24     26     22     22     17

Commentaire de Crazylady21

If you have a few people on the same part of the "heart of flame" quest only ONE person will be able to able to drain the bosses you kill in firelands.(I asked a GM about this) the response is shown below

Greetings *removed char name*,

Thanks for getting in touch with us and hanging out while we worked to get to you. I'm sorry for any delay there may have been, but I have been able to fully review your ticket.

Issue: i am looking for some info on the quest line Heart of Flame my question about this quest is if 2 people in the raid are on the same part of this quest are both of them able to get the essences from the boss Via using their staffs?

No, only one person will be able to get the essences.

Regards,

Game Master Phaelonumia
Customer Services
Blizzard Entertainment
www.blizzard.com/support

Commentaire de 678532

A couple of items of note on this quest:

I completed it last night and the Cœur des flammes spawned after getting Ragnaros to 10% but I did not get the Rage de Ragnaros buff to reduce damage so I could properly retrieve the Cœur des flammes.

Make sure your healers heal you while you are getting it from the lava.

Also bugged on me and continued to cause me to explode periodically even after Ragnaros was not longer in the room. The debuff disappears as soon as you leave the Firelands instance.

To turn in this quest: Go to the Cathedral area in Stormwind. There will be a quest turn in for this.

Commentaire de 839157

The serie of this item has been a total waste, never seen something like this and I've been around since Molten Core.

Why would you be forced to do Ragnaros normal, a heroic kill should be more than enough to complete this. Be forced to put a person in a pug to complete the chain *facepalm*.

Commentaire de Necropenguin

Much like during the quest Le temps manque, while you are on this quest every few hours you will get an emoted messaged declaring "You feel a surge of power as Tarecgosa's essence manifests itself."

It's neat, but only for flavor. There actually is no buff or surge of power.

ADDENDUM: Well, it only took Blizzard the entire remainder of the the expansion to fix the stupid thing, but Tarecgosa now properly talks to you during the quest chain from inside your own body. ...Would have been nice to have this during the actual quest, but sure, why not, fix it when the staff will be replaced in a few weeks...

Commentaire de 137414

If you're wondering why Kalecgos won't offer you the quest, you're probably at the wrong Kalecgos. (Did you skip the cutscene?)

Commentaire de Nimoku

Can you siphon the Essences from Ragnaros' corpse when you kill kim on heroic mode?

Commentaire de Necropenguin

I have to throw out a word of warning about race and/or faction changing with parts of this legendary quest chain active. When you pay Blizzard for that service you also get a complimentary quest log wipe as part of the process.

What this means is that you will have this quest removed from your log. What this means for this particular quest I can't say for sure because, unlike with L'œil omniscient and Le temps manque, the "smouldering essence" you have to collect is not actually a physical object that you possess in you Inventory. If this quest get removed, you very well could lose all progress you made towards it.

Now, I can't say that for sure that you'd be utterly screwed over like that, and maybe the GMs after a little digging could restore previous progress... but do you really want to be the one to test this? So heads up, I'd recommend against big paid changes to race, class or faction while on the collect parts of this quest, and this one most specifically.

Commentaire de 908693

Just Did FL10 Normal.

Got 25 Smouldering Essences.
Beth - 5 Smouldering Essences.
Shannox - 3 Smouldering Essences.
Rhyo - 3 Smouldering Essences.
Alyz - 4 Smouldering Essences.
Baleroc - 5 Smouldering Essences.
Majo - 5 Smouldering Essences.

That means that drops rate is terible.
More 9 weeks to get it.

Next week I'll do FL25 Normal.
Gona Update the drop rate.
Cya.

Commentaire de Allinone

I decided to keep track of all the essences that I collected during my stage 3 quest.
Now that I've finished, here is the table with all the information.

Heroic kills are also in bold:

Beth'tilac	-	5	7	7	7	7	5?
Shannox	-	5	7	7	7	8	-
Lord Ryolith	8	5	8	8	8	7	-
Alysrazor	8	8	7	8	7	7	-
Baleroc	7	3	8	8	8	8	-
Staghelm	8	7	8	8	8	8	-
Totals	31	33	45	46	45	45	5
31	64	109	155	200	245	250

As expected, it's consistent with the conclusion that 10 man normal mode bosses drop between 3 and 5 cinders, while 10 man heroic mode bosses drop between 7 and 8 cinders. We killed some bosses (Beth'tilac, Shannox, Ryolith and Baleroc) in normal mode during the second week, in order to ease our way into their related achievements (for the meta). In lthe last Beth'tilac kill as I was only missing 5 essences, there is no way to confirm how many it dropped, however I'm assuming it would be 7 or 8 nonetheless.

Commentaire de 926762

Does anyone know if you re-accept this quest will it start from the beginning or from your previous quest progress.... the idiot i am did a race change before reading these forums and lost it. but i was told from a fellow player if u go talk to the dragon who gives you the quest it will give you your progress back.

Commentaire de bishQp

I wonder if we can kill bosses with another staff and then when they are dead, be able to change staff to runestaff and siphon essences ?

Commentaire de thunderdragon2

i done 6/7 fl normal 10 last night and i got 24 essances 5 from rhyo domo nad alys beth shgannox and baleroc all gave me 3 each so the drop rare on 10 normal is defo 3-5 a boss now

last week i did hc shannox 10 man and i got 7 essances

so thats me at 44/250 2nd week on the essances will up date when i do fl next reset

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[Heart of Flame]

[Empower the Runestaff of Nordrassil with 250 Smouldering Essences and obtain the Heart of Flame.]

	[Smouldering Essences Collected] (250)
	Cœur des flammes (1)

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[You are the first mortal to witness a dragon council, <nom>, and among the only beings in Azeroth to take part in the choosing of an Aspect.

My ascension has endowed me with incredible power. I have taken the liberty to strengthen Tarecgosa's bond with you, though she will require a more... permanent home.

I would have you venture one last time into the Plane of Fire and bring me the heart of Ragnaros.

When next we meet, I will be able to suitably thank you for all that you have done.]

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Vous recevrez :

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Lors de l'achèvement de cette quête vous gagnerez :

Vérifiez si vous l'avez déjà terminé en tapant :

/run print(C_QuestLog.IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(29307))

[Heart of Flame]

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