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Kommentar von danroe

That's a new interesting feature for trinkets wich wasn't used since Spirit of Aqcuamentas. The spirit got nerfed, so let's see what happens to this one

Kommentar von 28869

Constant casting with standard 1.5 seconds GCD, equip bonus on this trinket is equal to 140 mp5. Rather sharp I would say.

Kommentar von 252897

Somehow I cant see this trinket lasting in its current state for too long. Just too strong for certain classes when compared to other trinkets.

Kommentar von 111007

As it stands currently in 3.1, the only spell druids will spend more than ~1s casting is regrowth, and that won't be very often at all, just when it falls off a tank.

Thus, we'll be getting about 4.5 casts off per 5s. Do the math, this trinket is about 200mp5.

This mechanic of spell cost reduction makes absolute sense though with the recent OOFSR changes. Now that its 40% less beneficial to do so, a trinket like this makes it much more possible not to have to.

-A Druid who spends 98% of fights in FSR.

Kommentar von 93633

It is probably a typo and will eventually be changed to an "on use" effect rather than an "equip" effect. Otherwise it would be like 250mp5 for druids, which is completly unrealistic.

Kommentar von droodhaxzomg

Makes a mean pair combined with Pandora's Plea. 100 Spirit and 108 Intellect is an amazing regen pair for trees or priests, in addition to the potential 200+ mp5 this trinket can give and the spellpower proc offered by Plea.

Kommentar von 254148

I gotta ask, does this apply before or after other mana cost reducing effects? Specifically as a disc priest, I'm wondering about how it stacks with glyph of flash heal, the new imp. flash heal talent, and power infusion.

Kommentar von 170099

Even as a paladin this is amazing. Flash Heal improved by 15% mana efficiency? And since Illumination is based off base mana cost this makes it even more valuable.

Yet again Blizzard adds -mana costs only to have it nerfed in the very near future.

Kommentar von Foofie

It's amazing for spamming PW:Shields and Flash heals as a disc priest.

Kommentar von 205343

This does NOT reduce the mana cost of all spells by 42. It should say "by up to 42."

That being said, it is still an amazing resto druid trinket. Reduces my spell costs by:

lifebloom - 31
rejuv - 30
regrowth - 30
wild growth - 34
nourish - 37
swiftmend - the whole 42

So just keeping up a 3 stack lifebloom every 8 seconds, rejuv every 18 seconds and regrowth every 24 seconds (i use the glyph so I refresh it before it runs out) this thing reduces mana cost by ~30 mp5 as well as the extra 30 mp5 it gives me from the spirit. Not to mention all the nourish and wild growths I'm casting between refreshing hots. This is my new favorite trinket without a doubt and is wicked when paired with my Majestic Dragon Figurine which has 100% 10 stack as well.

Kommentar von 38799

some mats:

based on our Auiaya kill http://users.atw.hu/s0und/stats/sws-Auriaya-1240163465/index.html

and using Goose312's numbers, here what you get:

(+) Rejuvenation (r15) 86 30 2580
(+) Lifebloom (r3) 68 31 2108
(+) Wild Growth (r4) 22 34 748
(+) Regrowth (r12) 24 30 720
(+) Nourish (r1) 35 37 1295
(+) Swiftmend 7 42 294

Number of casts / mana reduction by this trinket / overall manasave per skill

The overall manasave with this trinket is: 7745 mana

Iam still using on this fight with a single spell i saved 9116 mana

If they change/fix? this trinket, and it will reduce your mana cost of all your spells by 42, then i could save 10116 mana

Kommentar von thelovefool

Tree drOOds! Get this trinket. As if it didn't look awesome enough just by itself, think of it in use with this combo:

Idol of Awakening, Spark of Hope, 3/3 Moonglow, and Tree of Life, you've reduced the cost of Rejuv down to a measly 341 mana!

Now, add the power of t8 4pc set bonus to this, and its downright crazy talk!

Kommentar von 356874

Got both this trinket AND Energy Siphon this week. The boost in regen and efficiency is enormous. Happy tree is happy.

EDIT: Confirmed the following...

Druid base mana at level 80 is 3496.
Addition/subtraction (flat reduction values like "Reduces mana cost of spell 'X' by 'Y') occurs before multiplicative scaling (percentage reductions from talents, for example).

Using Rejuvenation as the example spell (since Idol of Awakening is also in the discussion):
Base cost of Rejuvenation is 18% of 3496, or 629 mana.
Cost of Rejuvenation with 3/3 Moonglow is 629 * (1-0.09), or 572 mana.
Cost of Rejuvenation with 3/3 Moonglow and Tree of Life is 629 * (1-(0.09+0.20)), or 446 mana.
Cost of Rejuvenation with Spark of Hope, 3/3 Moonglow and Tree of Life is (629-42) * (1-(0.09+0.20)), or 416 mana (which is my current cost with these talents and the trinket).
Cost of Rejuvenation with Idol of Awakening, Spark of Hope, 3/3 Moonglow and Tree of Life is (629-42-106) * (1-(0.09+0.20)), or 341 mana (Can you say "Absurdly cheap"? I thought you could...)

So, it DOES reduce mana cost by 42 - just not where we would like to see it, at the back end of the equation AFTER multiplicative scaling has been applied.

Kommentar von 359560

For a priest with only 3/3 Mental Agility for baseline #'s:

Spell Name {w/o Spark} / {with Spark} / {savings}
Flash Heal: 695 / 653 / 42
Greater Heal: 1236 / 1194 / 42
Binding Heal: 1043 / 1001 / 42
Desperate Prayer: 729 / 692 / 37
Divine Hymn: 2189 / 2151 / 38
Holy Nova: 694 / 657 / 37
Prayer of Mending: 521 / 483 / 38
Renew: 590 / 552 / 38
Prayer of Healing: 1854 / 1812 / 42
Penance: 618 / 576 / 42

With Glyph of Flash Heal + 3/3 Imp Flash Heal + Spark of Hope the mana cost of Flash Heal is reduced from 521 to 489 which is a savings of 32.

This confirms CVSoprano's findings that the reduction is indeed applied before any other talented reductions/abilities.

Kommentar von 49201

has anyone tested if this trinket works on general vezax?

Kommentar von 197345

Comparing the three possible pure regen trinkets at 80 - Spirit-World Glass, Spark of Hope, and Darkmoon Card, Blue Dragon:

Spark of Hope's proc is 140 mp5 if you're casting an average of 1.5 sec (or instant) spells. At 3 sec spells it's half that, 70 mp5, and if you have haste with your 1.5/instant spam (i.e., disc priest), it's more. 100 spirit is on top of that, providing approximately 25 mp5, for a total of around 150 mp5 for an average healer. In fights with breaks, its value falls by the % of time not casting, but for this to be over around 20% is very unusual, so we can safely say it's a minimum of approximately 120 mp5.

Spirit World Glass is very situational, but consider that many fights have a break where you don't need to be casting right then. Off the top of my head in Ulduar, there are breaks on Razorscale (right after she lifts off), XT (heart phase), Iron Council if no one's taking Brundir's lightning squid, Hodir while running to ice floes, Freya between add waves if tank healing is covered, and all of Mimiron's phase transitions. In these cases, you're getting the full or partial benefit from the +336 spirit while not casting at all, negating the advantage of stacking SWG with this trinket.

Now, assuming 600 base regen while not casting as a ballpark figure, let's see how much BD gives back. Assuming no ICD and an average cast time of 2 seconds, you'll see a proc on average every 100 seconds. Any class that has enough spirit for this trinket to matter also has a 50% mana regen while casting talent, so you're gaining 300 mana/5 while casting over what you'd normally have. You get 3 of those 5 second intervals, for a gain of 900 mana every 50 seconds, which is 18 mana per second or 90 mp5.

So comparing: Spark of Hope is very clearly superior even before the spirit at any cast time (faster casts proc BD more, and also benefit more from spark of hope). The benefit of Spirit World Glass is harder to quantify, but assuming 1000 spirit and int (reasonable in Ulduar gear), you have a base spirit-based regen of 529 when not casting (and, presumably, half that while casting). The passive spirit effect on SWG will raise this by 44 while not casting, 22 while casting. The use effect will add an additional 172 mp5 while not casting, or 86 while casting. Assuming instant clicking of the trinket and constant casting, that's 344 per usage every 2 min or 14 mp5 for a total of 58 mp5 for the whole trinket. Assuming it's used intelligently, but adding an extra thirty seconds between uses to account for that, it's a gain of 23 mp5 from the use, or a total of 67 from the entire SWG.

TL;DR: Spark of Hope is by a considerable margin the best pure regen trinket in the game. DC:BD works out to be considerably better than the SWG, which surprised me personally.

Kommentar von 369866

The answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything!

Kommentar von 35804

There is no other trinket like this when it comes to reducing the mana cost to spells. The closet trinket would be the Eye of Gruul but with the small % chance of proc I could not see this being worth it. This trinket is great for any healer class when it comes to General Vezax as mp5 does not work, Insightful Earthsiege Diamond shows as Immune when it procs on this fight. Definitely pick this up if you are headed towards the General.

Kommentar von 369866

The answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything! 42, RIP D.N.A.

Kommentar von 403204

Curious if this would work on a hunter.....hmmm.

Kommentar von 111622

Is this Trinket still useful as of 3.2 now that they've increased the amount of Mp5 on everything?

Kommentar von 13819

For Paladins, this takes the mana efficiency of FoL from ~11 to 12.7.

That's a massive increase in healing potential from a single mana bar if you use an FoL based healing strategy.

It's too bad there's no equivalent with better stat allocation for Paladins. I really don't want to be taking gear from Spirit based healers. And make no mistake, just because it has a massive amount of Spirit doesn't mean this trinket isn't in the running for a BIS item for Paladins.

Kommentar von Reido

I (Holy Priest) picked up this trinket and Energy Siphon on the same week and saw a huge increase in the sustainability and a tiny drop in spell power. On fights which I previously came close to running out of mana, I hovered around 70-80% the whole fight. I recommend this trinket even to those raiding T9-T9.5 content because the reduction in mana cost of your spells scales well with your other gear.

Kommentar von Werlwind

42. Because you're worth it!

Kommentar von inyu

Actually used by holy Paladins to generate extra holy power (instead of consuming it) with the use of Word of Glory. Waiting to be fixed.

Kommentar von 384510

Since Blizz has made Spirit viable for all healing classes, this trinket is now incredible for all of them. It's such a shame so many people fail at Ulduar.

Kommentar von 624821

For those who are curious, at level 85, this trinket is worth 1176 MP5 to an arcane mage now, (BY GAWD, THAT BE MORE THEN MOST HEALER TRINKETS!) But that is ONLY for an arcane mage, am I saying go farm it and bust out your 80 epics in an 85 raid? No, you would probably lose DPS from using this over a 346/359 trinket now, but it is still interesting :D

Also, the 100 spirit for any healer, is worth about 116 mp5, and then the effect on it, if 4 casts were made every 5 seconds, it would be 168 mp5 putting it at 284 mp5 for healers at level 85. (Considering it has a 140 ilvl difference with epic trinkets, that is pretty amazing O_O)

Kommentar von Celdazero

Drops from Novos in Heroic ++ Draktharon Keep as of phase 3.

Kommentar von Aimkiupi

Drop from Novos (Drak Tharon Keep) in Beta Titan rune dungeon (Heroic ++ WOTLK Classic).

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