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Kommentar von 25970

I'd love to have this trinket on my Enhancement Shaman since a good portion of their DPS comes from white damage and Windfury damage (which is a proc). Rogues would also reap near maximum benefit.

As for the 100% proc chance, this simply means the chance is not percentage based. These types of items go by a certain formula created by Blizzard which is based on your weapon speed, effectively making the procs per minute (or whatever time interval they use) the same regardless of how fast your weapons are. So, like DM: Maelstrom and others, do not expect to get mad procs by simply using fast weapons.

Kommentar von Asheera

Also, druids are only swinging one weapon at 1.00 speed in cat form, while rogues with SnD, and possibly Blade Flurry are swinging two weapons at 1.50 second speeds. Good for a druid, but probably better for a rogue in my opinion. Regardless, any melee damage class benefits from a haste rating increase, no matter how fast they attack.

Kommentar von 24514

Got this today. Based upon an hour spent in the Blasted Lands, it seems to be somewhere around 1.3 ppm.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/637/dragonspineej3.jpg

Kommentar von 21579

I would recommend warriors, hunters, rogues and maybe enhancement shamans. It would benefit either 2 Handed fury build warriors or any DW class. Its a toss up for anyone who wants to roll and any melee class or hunters that has decent damage output should have the right to roll on it. Works well with a Dragonstrike/Dragonmaw/Drakefist Hammer (1 Handed Maces with 200 haste rate proc).
https://www.wowhead.com/cata/spell=36262
https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=28438
https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=28437

Kommentar von 21355

For a very in-depth analysis of the trinket, look here: http://elitistjerks.com/showthread.php?t=10333

Kommentar von 36686

with RF + Quicksots and procc i got my Attackspeed down to 1.16 "2.44 base 18slot quiver" on a 2.8 speed bow

this is BY far the best hunter trinket i have seen in game
the procrate is nuts and overwrites.
combined with quickshots i had both rebuff up to 5x both when i was testing @ dr boom

when u have both procs up u switch too Steady/Auto rotation so you and nuke arcane/multi whenever posible..

Kommentar von 39864

Abacus is better for Feral Cat Druids giving a solid 2.5 DPS and the haste rating in your rotation once every 2 minutes and control of the proc in long fights, where it will benefit a druid waiting for energy or an OOC proc.

Kommentar von 25329

a simle logic would be that, if you DW the haste would efect both weapons? so the increase in dps procentwise would be alot bigger for a rougue/Fwarr/ENCHshamy? id love this trinket for my DW shamy ^^

Kommentar von 21579

In that thread about 3/4 of the way down it is mentioned that only people who do mainly white damage attacks would benefit greater than another class who doesn't do a lot of abilities like mortal strike, sinister strike, execute, etc. The point is that this trinket should go to either people who have very slow weapons, slow dual wield weapons or just dual wielding classes overall. That is why warriors, hunters, shaman (enhancement), and rogues all want their hands on this trinket. It goes equally to any one of those classes with would benefit more of having the ability to dish out more white damage than yellow.

Kommentar von 15299

Haste effects benefit classes/specs with abilities that actually scale with haste the most. Which means that this is by far best for a hunter. Should go to warriors next, and the rest of melee dps after warriors. The simple logical reasoning for this is that haste affects around 80% of a hunter's damage output, 35-40% of a warrior (but warriors also would benefit from extra rage), and less than 30% of other melee.

Kommentar von 34876

Crazy trinket. Proccs all the time, totally worth it. Get it - now!

Kommentar von 38144

For a well-geared Combat rogue, this should benefit you in the range of about +40-50 DPS.

Kommentar von 46746

Looking for some answers here on this trinket:
How would u rate this compared to something like hourglass of the unraveller on DPS for a combat specd dagger rogue? Not sure if i should pick it up or what to do really.

Kommentar von 42833

If I was a warrior, I'd specc fury, get 2 Flurry Axes, 2 mongoose enchants, this trinket and the abacus of violent odds trinket, flurry, and a friendly shaman giving me a windfury totem and Bloodrage/Heroism.

I wonder what attack speed that'd result in. <3

Kommentar von zagi

Has +40 passive attack power added on newest PTR patch.

Kommentar von 13727

Tested this trinket on the PTR as a mutilate rogue (1.8 and 1.6 speed daggers) (no slice n dice up) for some solo grinding of level 70 mobs.

It procced every second or third mob, sometimes it would proc 2 times in 1 fight, and Afaik there is a very little cooldown or none at all, as i've seen it refresh its self before the buff ran out.

Kommentar von 10076

I have it on my hunter, and for those saying 1.3-1.7 ppm, that's definitely not the case.

I'm seeing far more, I should download a proc mod and check.

Perhaps it's because it's a ppm trinket on a 2.7 speed weapon, while attacking at a .8ish speed.

Kommentar von 49143

Is there a cap for melee haste rating? If there isnt then melee going for all the proc gear would let you reach 100% which would just be ridiculous

Kommentar von 49143

ok there is:

100% haste rating actually gives 68% increase to attack speed, ie your attack speed is multiplied by 0.32

This would be 3 times or so the white damage compared to 0 haste

As to non haste rating abilities such flurry, it may be possible to drop lower than this, perhaps shamans can get to 16%

Kommentar von 59147

Tested it...
Has NO cooldown :-)

Kommentar von Eliandor

Considering that the highest innate haste effect brings Sunfury Bow to 2.1 speed, a hunter will still get a huge benefit from the trinket. Although the slot was harder to justify when it didn't include 40 attack power, it would most definitely take the place of Hourglass or Bloodlust brooch easily. Especially in conjunction with something like Talon of Al'ar.

Kommentar von 14597

Here's some data from over an hour in combat raiding;

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7940/procwatchhz9.jpg

About 1.5 PPM for me. (Sword spec Rogue)

Kommentar von Sounder

Could we get a PPM report from a feral druid based on an hour+ of normal combat?

Kommentar von rocki

A Fury warrior would get more out of this than a rogue honestly. Faster attacks = more rage = more specials = loads more DPS. Rogues only get some extra white DPS.

Kommentar von Faradize

does improved aspect of hawk proc+trinket proc enough to gain the break point with bm macro hunter ?
normally steady-auto-steady-auto (+kc)
if u use rapid fire, u gain: steady-autoauto-steady etc.

Kommentar von PainKiller

rogue white damage is always 50% +++ of ALL rogue dps

each time this procs your off hand hits more....you build more energy due to combat potency.....and increase ur dps like hell

Kommentar von Kallikrates

With the following Items it is possible to get exactly 1,050 Haste Rating (which equates to precisely 100%). Note: The Items Linked are for a Warrior because I was researching for my own.

Permanent: 253 Haste Rating
On Proc: 537 Haste Rating
On Use: 260 Haste Rating
Total: 1,050 Haste Rating (100%)

Head: N/A
Neck: N/A
Shoulders: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=32570
Back: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=32665
Chest: N/A
Wrist: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=32568
Hand: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=32608
Waist: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=30915
Legs: N/A
Feet: N/A
Finger: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=32526
Finger: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=32526
Trinket: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=28830
Trinket: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=28288
Main Hand: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=28439
Off Hand: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=28439
Ranged: N/A

1,050 Haste is achieved with both the Dragonspine Trophy and Dragonstrike proccing at the same time and the Abacus of Violent Odds being popped.

Kommentar von 57611

"1,050 Haste Rating (which equates to precisely 100%"

It is impossigle to hit 100% because everything its kinda like a percentage of another percentage. So it basically approaches 0 but the more you stack the less benefit you get from it.

In the table below. WS = Weapon Speed. Haste = Haste Rating. Haste% is the obviously what it is. IAS is like heroism, Flurry, slice and dice, which all stack multiplicitively with Haste Percent. Total mod is the total of Haste% and IAS. Buffed speed is how fast you are swinging and Increase is the amount of increase you get from it. Numbers should be real close

WS---Haste----Haste%----IAS----total mod----Buffed Speed----Incease in Speed
2.7----1050-----1.99904----1.25----2.498810----1.080514041----1.619485959
1.5----1050-----1.99904----1.25----2.498810----0.600285578----0.899714422

Now if you notice here if i DOUBLE the haste I get.

WS----Haste----Haste%----IAS----total mod----Buffed Speed----Incease in Speed
2.7-----2100-----2.9980------1.25---3.7476--------0.720456998----1.979543002
1.5-----2100-----2.9980------1.25---3.7476--------0.400253888----1.099746112

So as you can see going from 1k Haste rating to 2k Haste rating you will only increase yoru weaponspeed by .28 roughly. But you will never hit 0. The biggest increase is in like the first initial 750.

Kommentar von Zakimonk

This is one of the best trinkets in the game for an enhancement shaman. At least 80% of a shaman's damage comes from white hits/Windfury, and with two 2.6 speed weapons, with this and flurry up attack speed will be a little bit slower than 1.5 per weapon. This is as fast as you can get while not losing Windfury procs, making this trinket utterly insane when heroism is not up.

If the shaman has other haste procs/items though, like Abacus or the haste meta, or if heroism is up, this trinket's effect will diminish due to weapon speeds being faster than 1.5 and missing Windfury procs due to the 3 second cooldown.

Kommentar von 76083

Actually it's the 1.41-1.5 weapon speed valley you want to avoid, the modeling for some reason does not work correctly during those speeds. Faster than that is optimal.

Additionally, more haste doesn't lower the windfury procc rate, it lowers the Hit:Procc ratio. Meaning you will get more swings in before the 3 second CD is up again. Which causes WF to take up a smaller % of your overall DPS. Many people look at this negatively because they are looking at it from the wrong angle.

Please note that my post only regards Shamans, and the haste mechanics work fine for all other classes (as far as I know). Due to the randomness of Windfury it is hard to make accurate observations, so do not go by my word 100%. I recommend enhancement shamans vistit the following website for Enh Shaman TheoryCraft, which I found very useful for my own uses:

http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t13297-enhance_shaman_collected_works_theorycraft_vol_i/

Kommentar von 76379

Best melee DPS trinket in the game and it just refuses to drop for us.

Kommentar von galvin

Raids are a bad way to get true PPM. In a raid you may be in combat for 10min straight say on a boss fight. But lets take a'lar. You're melee on adds you're not actually melee'ing for 100% of the whole fight. So if you to use procwatch during a'lar your ppm would be lower than if you used it when farming.

so procwatch is going think you were actually doing melee for the whole fight say 10min. But actually you may have only meleed for 80 to 90% of that fight. So your ppm will be lower. My ppm on dragonspine is always lower in such raid fights. But when I go out farming its around 1.9ppm

Kommentar von exhaze

This is apparently getting a nerf in 2.2 due to the stealth nerf of melee haste rating from 10.5 haste rating per 1% to 15.7 haste rating per 1%. This trinket will give 20.70% haste as compared to 30.95% haste before.

Kommentar von Shinja

This trinket received two nerfs with patch 2.2.0:
_ the melee haste rating as stated above: when it procs, you recevied only 20% haste insted of 30% before.
_ an silent "uptime" nerf: before 2.2.0, the trinket uptime was near of 40% (I've tested it on Servant of Razelikh), when I tested it on 2.2.0, my uptime is now less than 25% (with 2500 attacks). Other people have also tested it ( with UptimeMeter at http://wow.curse.fr/downloads/details/8103/download/37011/ ) and found an uptime near of 20%.

The power of this trinket was to high for the iLevel...

Kommentar von 57691

If these things stacked,......
Shaman Heroic 40% speed, haste potion, master hammersmith hammers ( 212 chance haste), this, warrios flurry, leatherworker drums
So 65% speed from spells
Haste rating - 1017
Hammers are 2.40 so thats a fast hammer..

Kommentar von 42344

As a BM hunter, I just got this trinket and it's great. Now it's true, BM hunters have to really watch haste as we can actually have too much of it and start crushing our auto-shot. However, as it currently stands, the best weapon in the game for a BM hunter w/o DST is the Wolfslayer (https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=28581) with its 2.7 weapon speed. Weapon speed is of far greater importance to BM than is weapon damage, a concept far too many hunters do not understand. There are no ranged weapons in T5/T6 that are better for a BM 1:1 shot rotation simply because none of the other weapons are faster than 2.9.

But with Dragonspine in hand, that changes. Now all of the later ranged weapons will open up for BM as this provides enough haste to make up for the slower bows and you can take advantage of their higher damage. Perhaps you can also make some of this up with the haste gear in ZA and T6 as well, but it will take several pieces of gear to do it. DST alone gives the haste needed to make 2.9-3.0 speed bows worth grabbing as BM. The proc rate alone makes it the best hunter trinket in the game w/o any other consideration. But the fact that it gives you far more choice in weapons down the line of progression makes it really invaluable.

Kommentar von Roulk

This trinket doesn't have a % on melee attacks, it is estimated at a 1 ppm.
This means it's equally good for slow Duel Wielders like Enhancement shaman, and even for 2hand users! Because of the way PPM's work.

Kommentar von 111195

I was dueling a geared up rogue the other day, and this proc'd, what is seemed, 7 out of 10 times. It looked like someone was spamming flash heals on him but with a different special effect.

I dueled him on either 12/10/07 or 12/11/07, don't remember exactly.

Kommentar von Lemma

This trinket should say "Classes: Rogue" but it's a design flaw.

Kommentar von 35268

Still the best feral druid kitty pew pew trinket out there.

Kommentar von Triforceelf

Ok, here is why this is good for druid DPS. Yes, druids do not get most of their DPS from white attacks, we get them from our special attacks. However, any druid that is on gruuls has access to the reason we want this: the two piece tier four set bonus. This bonus means that all attacks have a chance to give you back energy. Haste then means more energy as you will swing faster and get more procs as bloodlust (the proc) does not appear to have a CD as I have gotten procs within seconds of each other.

Kommentar von juzzle

incredible shaman trinket, 75% of shaman damage comes from white damage, yellow attacks such as windfury and stormstrike have 3-10 second cool downs

Kommentar von Xystophoros

Saying 75% of shaman DPS comes from white damage is a pretty big exaggeration. In T5 and equivalent gear, I get about 50% from white damage, 30% from Windfury, 10% from Stormstrike and 10% from shocks. EJ has a similar breakdown for properly geared Shaman.

So while the gains from DST probably aren't as dramatic as you make them out to be, they're still very good.

Kommentar von 3clipse

This is one of the best-in-slot trinkets for BM hunters right now, since both our white damage and our yellow damage (Steady Shot) are affected by haste, thus making 20% faster attack speed 20% more damage.

Pretty fantastic. I know that if I can finally get this to drop for me, I'll be dropping all my points on it.

Kommentar von 37725

Our guild has been downing Gruul almost weekly for the past 4 months and this lovely trinket finally dropped for the first time last night. Perfect trinket for a PvE rogue such as myself and I must say the amount of procs I get from this thing is just phenomenal. Who has two thumbs and is a happy rogue? This guy.

Kommentar von 31138

After doing some testing it seems the internal cooldown has deffinatly been changed to 45 seconds. With it only being a 10 second proc I would almost lean twords the Shard of contempt as a better combat rogue trinket. After getting the 3 offpieces in sunwell (boots, belt, bracers) you would be over the exp cap which might make the DST viable again.

Kommentar von 24256

is there a caster equivalent of this? (epic quality)
disregarding the famous rare version Quagmmiran's Eye.

Kommentar von 33519

Is it legit for me to be QQing over the fact that a ret pally in our guild run won this over rogues, hunters, and fury warriors, or is this also a very good trinket for them too?

Kommentar von 171105

I got this trinket about months ago and I am very happy with it, this is the second time drop so far and the first DST drop from our guild run I passed it to our rogue.

The problem is that I am now using badge crossbow https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=34892 which is 2.8s speed and with BM talent and quiver's speed increase now my actual weapon speed is 1.97s, also i am using the new 3:2 shot rotation macro but when the DST proces i notice the weapon speed increases to 1.6xs, I wonder do I need to use 1:1 shot rotation for higher DPS output when the DST proc happens?

Kommentar von 59175

LF group Gruuls PST DST RESERVED!

Just shutup already.

Kommentar von Airman

worst part of not getting this when your guild is in t4/t5 content is that when you do decide to do grull it is a roll not dkp :). This tinket has still not dropped in my guild ... and I will probably have to fight off 2 rogues, 1 hunter for it

Kommentar von stonecow

If you see this drop and have the chance to get it, don't think twice... There's a lot of geared out dps classes decked out in SWP and T6 gear that STILL want this.

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Kommentar von shadowz325

*DST GDKP HUNTER BUYERS BEWARE*. this trinket is weaker than the bloodlust brooch. i tested it on the ptr numerous times under these conditions and the bloodlust brooch consistently outperformed dst without even using bloodlust brooch's 2min cd lol. these r the conditions i tested it under: dps'd in phase 3 bis gear with recommended talent tree from icy-veins for bm till oom with hunter's mark and aspect of the viper, using mana pots on cd, no pet, 1:1 rotation, no cd's popped. this test lasted between 2.5-3 min each time and with bloodlust brooch equipped, i stayed at a steady 1.4k dps - again, not using its 2min cd lol - whereas with the DST my dps consistently went back and forth between 1.3 and 1.4k, spending most of the time at 1.3. also to note, it had the same uptime % on the ptr (22%) as it does with the hunter in my guild, and it hasnt been nerfed at all so i know this testing was accurate under the conditions i performed it. my guess is its the raw 32 ap difference between it and the bloodlust brooch that makes this trinket weaker, because per the stat weight calculations, dst gives 822.25 pts when procced vs the 367.794 pts that bloodlust brooch gives when its procced. brooch has a consistent uptime of 20% when procced immediately coming off of cd. seems like a design flaw. like they needed to give dst more ap so that it performed better than the brooch, which u can just buy with badges of justice and not spend 30k+ on it in a gdkp for a weaker trinket lol. lastly, when i did a test using the 2min cd on bloodlust brooch, my dps would rise 1.5 during its buff duration, dst never ever rose to that. i did this same test 10 times with each trinket config. hope this helps u not waste a ton of ur gold on a trinket that isnt an upgrade for hunters.

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