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Comment by Calcitrant

Provides you with a choice of up to 3 schematics to learn.

you get the notes from scrapping other schematics as well as the green items picked up from scrapping

Comment by Dervos

If you can't currently learn something from the item, you'll get the message;

There is nothing left to invent and you cannot be convinced otherwise.

You may still have recipes to learn but require points in certain specializations.

For example, to get the recipes for profession gear, you need to unlock the Profession Gear specialization under Engineered Equipment, then your Comprehensibly Organized Ideas will give new recipes.

Comment by Qoko

If you want to max your Pile of Rusted Scrap yield, keep at least one invention unlearned! (so anything marked 'Invention' in the Engineering window). This includes prototypes and those learned from Comprehensibly Organized Ideas. For details, see the spoiler tag.

Once you learn all inventions, they no longer drop from Scour Through Scrap. This sort of makes sense, but Disassemble Invention also gives about 15 Pile of Rusted Scrap on average so you lose out on a lot of scrap (which in turn give parts to use or sell). Disassemble Invention takes exactly two minutes a stack at Crafting Speed 75%, so in the long run this is definitely worth it. Scour Through Scrap will give some leftover scrap (and notes in case you still miss patterns from Comprehensibly Organized Ideas) instead of inventions but this pales in comparison to the thousands you get from disassembling.

I can now first hand confirm this: wanting to max out my knowledge from First Crafts the only pattern I'm now missing is Defective Escape Pod: Invent and Scour Through Scrap give me Prototype: Defective Escape Pod consistently. If you go down to just one invention just bank it to prevent learning it by accident. Every other invention will now be Unrecognizable Prototype that you can Disassemble Invention at will.

I'm not sure if this effective nerf is intended but it seems to be, considering the 'leftover' from scouring after you learn all inventions.

Comment by lexmosti

How many schematics we can learn by using this item?

Comment by selerik

The War Within Engineering - Discovery Mechanics (A great idea, or scrap it?)
Engineers can learn 75 new recipes as of The War Within's launch, 50 of which are gated behind Discovery mechanics.

Discovery Mechanics - How it Works

Engineers get started with Scour Through Scrap, taught by their profession trainer.
Scour Through Scrap will quickly allow the engineer to discover the profession's other essential skills, standard parts, and be a rare source of prototypes .
They will quickly learn Invent, which is a guaranteed* prototype each day. (*While supplies last)

Prototypes are single-use versions of engineer recipes which teach that recipe when used.

IMPORTANT: Once an Engineer learns the recipe, they will never receive the prototype version again.

Disassemble Invention can be used on unwanted or excess prototypes (including Unrecognizable Prototype), generating up to 10 Pile of Rusted Scrap and Hastily Scrawled Notes.
Hastily Scrawled Notes create Comprehensibly Organized Ideas, which can only be used to learn Engineering recipes. Neither item has any vendor value or other uses.

Discovery Mechanics - How it Doesn't Work

The discovery flavor and mechanics are built around 3 abilities: Scour Through Scrap, Invent, and Disassemble Invention.
If an engineer learns all 14 recipes linked to prototypes, they will never receive a prototype again.
Instead of Unrecognizable Prototype, they directly receive Hastily Scrawled Notes.

What are the impacts of losing the prototype mechanic?

Disassemble Invention ceases to function.
After the initial discovery/skill-up phase, Invent also ceases to have any function.
Since prototypes (recyclable) are replaced with Hastily Scrawled Notes (not recyclable), Scour Through Scrap becomes a less efficient source of parts.

How many Comprehensibly Organized Ideas does an engineer actually need?

28 recipes require Comprehensibly Organized Ideas to discover them.

How the Engineer allocates their Engineering Knowledge is also important, since three different sub-specialties control access to discoveries..

6 are gated behind Profession Gear, and can't be learned until the sub-specialty is unlocked.
4 are gated behind Goggles, and can't be learned until the sub-specialty is unlocked.
4 are gated behind Bracers, and can't be learned until the sub-specialty is unlocked.

What about when you have invented everything?
There is light at the end of the tunnel!
When you have discovered the final recipe requiring Comprehensibly Organized Ideas , you will cease to receive Hastily Scrawled Notes completely.
Scour Through Scrap will now have a chance to create the finished version of prototyped recipes, such as the tinker modules and potion bombs.
Invent will have a 100% chance to produce the finished version of one of the prototyped recipes.

Engineering Recipes - Source Breakdown

Discovery - Scour Through Scrap: 8
Discovery - Invent Prototypes: 15
Warning: If you discover all Prototypes, you will no longer be able to use Disassemble Invention!

Discovery from Comprehensibly Organized Ideas: 42

Note: All invenions that can be Prototyped can also be discovered from Comprehensibly Organized Ideas.
Discovery Requirement - Goggles: 4
Discovery Requirement - Profession Gear: 6
Discovery Requirement - Bracers: 4

Profession Trainer: 8
Vendors: 9
Quest Rewards: 1
Total Recipes: 75

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Comprehensibly Organized Ideas

Item Level 80
Binds when picked up

Use: Study your notes to choose a new engineering schematic to learn.

The selection of possible schematics increases as you specialize in Engineering.
Requires Khaz Algar Engineering (1)
"You aren't sure what these scraps were meant to depict. A clever rearrangement might inspire new ideas."

Max Stack: 200

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