Blizzcon Gold Making News & 10.2 Tips & PVP Gear - Wowhead Economy Weekly Wrap-Up 302

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Professions? Carrying DF style forward?
As in expansions in the past, professions are tied to the expansion, so new points and perks coming in WW. At a high level, they're happy with how professions play out, but some tweaks with stats/crafting orders, but happy with the system foundationally. Will iterate and continue forward.

So, not really much to talk about here. Professions in Dragonflight had a complete overhaul and largely the system is a lot more engaging, but the hardest barrier to entry was the time-gated knowledge and woefully inadequate Trade Chat for connecting players and crafters to then get into Work Orders.

We did hear a bit of new information in the post show Q&ANew spec points are coming to Professions. Inspiration stat is being looked at. Looking at ways of increasing availability of crafting orders, possibly NPCs putting in crafting orders.Mr. GMs interview

The current plan is for The War Within to have its own version of the existing Profession talents system, so players who really love professions will be able to learn talents, spec into specialized things, and use the Work Order system in the next expansion.
The Work Order system is confirmed to carry forward, though they've heard a lot of player feedback and so they're looking for ways to make them better.
Archaeology is a profession that needs a lot of love. Nothing to say right now, but stay tuned - there's stuff in the works.

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It all depends on how you wanna play the game. Gathering is going to be very valuable and taper off relativly quickly. It all depends on how many people want to engage with crafting.

early DF had a perfect storm with a new crafting system making alot of people engage with it and buying mats, aswell as a new flight system making bots less prevelant until they cracked the code. Its hard to imaging the next exp will have the same demand, but the demand will be there.

Gearcrafting made me many millions early because i stayed ahead of the curve for leatherworking and did crafting orders. I did meddle with scale crafting whenever demand outdid supply or somebody reset the market, but it was alot more hassle than it was worth trying to do m+ and raids aswell.

Making money of the auction house seems to be more difficult in the future as they are slowly tearing down the walls between crossrealm and realm. Meaning markets will get bigger, and margines smaller.

Working the auctionhouse doesnt seem like the way to go for me as all the people who usually work it are probably also preordering. But in the end, we dont know enough about the expansion to be sure of anything.

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This will be a text guide but if you prefer the video format...

Season 3 pvp season
Season 3 is a copy-paste of season 2. Recipes are obtained the same way. Obviously everything in here is still ptr content and could still be subject to change. For pve, the ilvl goes from 379 to 412. 412 ilvl will be very convenient for returning players and alts. For pvp ilvl, it will go from 424 to 463. Considering the best season 2 gear is 450 ilvl, this will be best in slot for a very short time. The season 3 starts 1 week after the patch BUT if you look at season 2, everything was available on patch day for this type of gear.

With that new information, i found 4 ways to make gold.

The first way to make gold : Selling recipes
Recipes are obtained from pvp wins from battlegrounds and arenas. Looking at the amazing website undermine.exchange , i was able to track the pricing data for the season 2 recipes. I only tracked the leatherworking recipes as this was quite time consuming. That being said, it was very similar for other professions.

I've made a spreadsheet with my findings. Click on this text to see the spreadsheet

My findings were as follows :

First day of the patch : Recipes averaged at around 168000g
One week into the patch : Recipes averaged at around 68000g
One month into the patch : Recipes averaged at around 14000g

So if you like pvp ( or gold ), getting those recipes could give you massive gold at the start of the patch.

Second way to make gold : Inscription trinkets
The 3 inscriptions trinkets recipes are different from the rest. You can buy them from a vendor in Valdrakken in the pvp area. The vendor is called Fieldmaster Embermath. Each recipe costs 3 Awakened Ire. This will be by far the best recipes to buy if you want to craft items which leads us to our 3rd way to make gold.

Third way to make gold : Getting recipes to craft items
There is a total of 42 new recipes. 16 for leatherworking, 9 for tailoring, 8 for blacksmithing, 4 for engineering, 3 for inscription and 2 for jewelcrafting. Just like recipes, i tracked the prices on undermine.exchange on the second page of the spreadsheet

My findings were as follows :

First day of the patch : Recipes averaged at around 23000g
One week into the patch : Recipes averaged at around 15000g
One month into the patch : Recipes averaged at around 5000g

Looking at the 4 following pages of the spreadsheet, you'll see the estimated crafting cost of items ( which is roughly 2000g per item ) . The prices were on the America region from about a week ago. Even one month after the release of the patch, you would make 3000g profit per item IF history repeats itself from season 2.

Skill and resourcefulness
Just like season 1 and 2, you will need 120 skill to craft the best quality. This is very easy to achieve with rank 2 materials and some knowledge. The only stat that matters is resourcefulness. Make sure to have a resourcefulness tool and a resourcefulness enchant. Tailors also have the shimmering embroidery thread that increases the potency of resourcefulness. They can be crafted or bought on the auction house for cheap.

A really big new factor comes into play next season that could really change the game for this season.

Cross-realm trading
In season 2, cross-realm trading wasn't enabled yet. This will probably make the recipes a little bit less desirable. If you buy a recipe, you can now craft the items for every single realm if you have 2 accounts. In the past, you would need to get the recipe on each realm or do massive character transfers to propagate your crafts.

If you are going to get into crafting, it's probably best to get a few recipes at the start but sell the items on as many realms as possible. Make sure to have lots of time available as this will be a very competitive market.

There is one more preparation you need to do and that leads to our fourth way of making gold.

Fourth way to make gold : Flipping speculation
( Everything in this section is mostly speculation. I do not know the future. This is just analysis that we can look at in the future and see where we were right and where we were wrong to be better at ... speculating lol )

Infurious bolts, scales, bolts and alloys are not default recipes from the trainer. They can be sold and purchased on the auction house. If you want to craft these items, make sure to buy your infurious recipes before some goblins like me buys all the recipes from your server to flip them for when new crafters come into the market.

Awakened Ire
Awakened Ire is the biggest material needed for this. If you look again at undermine.exchange, the price one month before season 2 was about 100g each. One week before the patch, price became 200g and nowadays, its, over 300g ( all the prices are from the America region again ) .

It just keeps going up and a very big factor will come into play for this particular season ! In season 2, you would need 126 awakened ire to craft everything. In season 3, you need 200 awakened ire to craft everything. That is a 59% increase! For example, leatherworking recipes now need 4 infurious hide/scales in season 3. In season 2, you would only need 2 infurious hide/scales !

Every infurious bolt/hide/scales/alloy need Awakened Ire. It is obtained from infurious ores and herbs that only show up with war mode ON .

Auctionator shopping list
I made a list that works with the Auctionator addon . It is in the last page of the spreadsheet. Here is how you can import it :

1- Copy the text in the spreadsheet

2- Go to the auctionator shopping window in the auction house

3- Click on the import button. A box opens

4- Press ctrl+v on your keyboard. This will paste the text

5- Click the import button in the box and you now have a shopping list of every material involved in the crafts for potential flips or crafts

Shoutout
I want to take a second to appreciate the undermine.exchange website. It is an amazing free tool for goldmakers and you can support them on their patreon

If you have any questions or comments, please let me know here or on twitch . I should stream as i'm posting this.

I'm also very hungry for feedback. So if you see things that could be better in the video or in the text post, let me know.

Thanks and happy new patch !
a followup post from Canadia
Recipes
When the data was collected, i had 31 recipes. I bought 28 of those ( the 3 trinket recipes are from a vendor ) . I paid 1597550 gold for all 28 recipes for an average price of 57055 gold per recipe. I didn't shop too hard to get them. I went on the biggest pop realms ( tichondrius, illidan, area52. I'm on the america region ) to buy them quickly. As much as it is data from the first 36 hours, i didn't have all these recipes for the full 36 hours so keep that in mind.

Another interesting thing is i saw a lot of people mentioning recipe flipping. I did buy 2 amulet recipes for 50k and i resold both for 150k. So there is definitely potential there.

Sales , crafting cost and profit
I sold for 4934000 gold of items. I estimate the crafting cost at 740100 gold. I deducted the price of the recipes and the crafting cost of items to get a profit of 2596350 gold. Keep in mind the auction house cut has been included in these numbers.

Cross realm trading, competition and undercutting.
I posted my items on 7 different realms. 2 full pops, 1 high pop, 2 medium pop and 2 low pops. Funny enough, the top 3 performers we 1 full pop, 1 high pop and 1 medium pop.

Competition has been somewhat light for most items. Trinkets, rings, necks and cloak are extremely competitive. Competition today is getting wayyy more ferocious than it was last 2 days.

I got 80% of my sales in the evening. If you want to undercut these ( let's be real, you will have to now ), do it on evenings! Not a lot of stuff sells during the day.

Flipping potential
I talked a lot about awakened Ire. When i made the post about 10 days ago, Awakened Ire was at about 300-350g. It is now between 575 and 625g. You can see a huge change as well in infurious bolts, alloys, hides and scales. Looking ahead, i have enough mats to supply thousands of items and i'm really unsure for the future of all this.

Gathering in emerald dream seems to be garbage. Pretty sure you make a lot more gold from going back to Zaralek Cavern. If people don't go hard on farming awakened Ire, we could see the price go higher.

Overall thoughts
It was a disappointment to see all the 415-424 boe gear dropping extensively. No pve player should buy the pvp gear as the dropped gear is cheaper. That being said, i'm extremely happy with my sales. I will do another follow up in a week or 2 as i will keep doing this market for at least 2 weeks.

Here are some screenshots on my twitter from sales

I did all of the accounting on my twitch. You can check the vod here . The big mailbox opening starts at 11 minutes. The accounting starts at roughly the 3 hour mark.

If you have any questions, please let me know! Happy new patch goldmaking!
Gold Farming Ruined u/MangertThis is mostly a rant about the region wide auction house, but I’m also opening it up for discussion. Feel free to challenge me and disagree with me, but this is how I feel.

I’ve been playing wow since Vanilla. I love this game. I got into gold farming in legion because there was a 250k gold Blazing Hippogryph on my AH. I learned all that I could about gold farming and farmed up and bought it! It was a huge achievement. I realized I loved gold farming as a way to relax after doing pvp. (Btw yes I’m very pissed everyone was given my crowning achievement for free…)

My main gold farming was always farming materials. I would skin. Current content and old content. (Think warbear leathers jormungar scales, savage leather, etc). I would also mine and herb old and current content (leystone/felslate, obsidium, whiptail) I would also farm non-profession materials like felcloth, tomes of polymorph, etc.

I made millions of gold. Some mats I was getting 60-100k an hour even if they wouldn’t sell for a while.

Then came the region wide auction house. And it was all ruined. Why? WHY! Prices became literally rock bottom. They knew what mat prices were like on high pop realm. Imagine a region wide AH, prices plummeted. Skinning probably getting hit the worst because of the addition of 2x4 farms for skinning.

Skinning supports leatherworking. Leatherworking creates demand. The demand from leatherworking is the same as always. But adding 2x4 farms skyrocketed the supply of leathers from skinning. Supply rises, demand stays the same. And that means… prices drop. Plummet in fact. Made even worse by a region wide auction house.

The region wide auction house has gutted all mat farming. The most u can make mat farming is like 10-15k! And that’s high end. I used to buy tokens like candy. And now my income has dwindled to nothing but gold from world quests.

Region wide auction house has ruined a huge aspect of the game, all so that I can buy potions and flasks for cheaper? Woohoo I guess?

I miss the days of just gold farming mats while I watched Netflix. I miss the days where I could buy my friends the new expansion because I had so much gold.

The only way to make good money now is crafting professions or selling boosts. I am a title m+ player but I never found a group to boost with, so that never happened.

U can make money transmog farming. But I am on a full pop realm and I wouldn’t make any money with transmog without undercut scanning multiple times a day. Which I don’t have the time or interest in doing. And the recent transmog series on this subreddit showed that it actually isn’t that much gold per hour anyway.

They would probably never revert it… but please revert the horrible region wide auction house.

Edit: Typos Edit 2: btw I think it’s super sad the best gold farm in the game is a minimum wage job and buying WoW tokens with real moneyCata Classic Items Removed u/Zjar has been thinking about items soon to be removed
With Cata classic announced, I figure now's the time to farm items that will be removed from classic, to sell for much gold later on. All the lists I keep finding are recipes or quest items that aren't tradable. The recipes I have open on a tab. The items I can slap on the auction house like removed swords, armor, etc I cannot seem to find. Anyone got said list?
such a list thanks the the ATT communityFurther Reading/r/woweconomyDiscord Server

Comment by NarhwalsSo, I'm not a goblin. But as an economist in the real world I know that anyone making soyface youtube thumbnails like Manthieus is not telling you $%^&Comment by Nathan4AmyThere's about 10k up in WQs alone, twice a week. It was more before 10.2 because suffusion camp quests and Sabellian/Wrathion place (I forget the name)Comment by MyFingerIsOnCDCrafting orders staying 😔Comment by dabone1337With shared gold on account ... what will be the gold cap? And will 10m stay the cap on auctions or will it increase too?Comment by WabbitkillerAnything short of full Warband integration of professions will be disappointing for me.

I want to open up the crafting menu and be able to click and cycle through every alt's profession I have and craft whatever the hell I want.

Remember that "elegant design" example Ion Hazzikostas gave?
Log on your main, go to a vendor, buy a bag, mail that bag to alt, log on to alt open bag. Yey, resources now on alt.
This is nothing, this isn't even that annoying compared to what you put crafters through just to self source reagents.Comment by AshleyHuh, I guess I missed the account-wide gold thing. Hopefully they've made that work properly with multiple accounts logged in.Comment by VittorinoAnything short of full Warband integration of professions will be disappointing for me.

I want to open up the crafting menu and be able to click and cycle through every alt's profession I have and craft whatever the hell I want.

Remember that "elegant design" example Ion Hazzikostas gave?
Log on your main, go to a vendor, buy a bag, mail that bag to alt, log on to alt open bag. Yey, resources now on alt.
This is nothing, this isn't even that annoying compared to what you put crafters through just to self source reagents.Comment by IncandioIf Mangert misses gold making from skinning can they please come to Argent Dawn EU and skin some Tallstrider Sinews which sell for 900g each?Comment by Avon27If professions are staying the way they are now I wish they would make it so if you get a spec point on one toon you get one for each maxed level toon. It really sucks having to farm all those points on a bunch of different toons.Comment by fendredHas a full region-wide AH been confirmed?
It's very awkward right now where technically the entire region economy is connected by people being able to trade crossrealm to move gold and goods from one server to another, but if you don't have a second account then it's completely inaccessible and you're stuck with just your own server's AH.Comment by CallistaZMIf professions are staying the way they are now I wish they would make it so if you get a spec point on one toon you get one for each maxed level toon. It really sucks having to farm all those points on a bunch of different toons.Comment by SarthoriusCrafting orders staying 😔With shared gold on account ... what will be the gold cap? And will 10m stay the cap on auctions or will it increase too?